Everything the New York Times Thinks About the Florida Recount Is Wrong!

Slate ^ | Mickey Kaus

[Victoria Delsoul]

"George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward."

Got that right!

[Chesterbelloc]

Dear Slate,

Franco is still Dead

and

Bush is still President.

[jimtorr]

Shoot, I am still hearing dem's tell me that if Florida State election law had been followed, there would have been a state-wide recount, and Gore would have won. They conveniently forget that Sec State Harris was following election laws, until the flotus overturned the law, and replaced it with nothing. After that, there were no election laws left. Remember, they even ignored the orders of scotus to explain their original ruling. I still think that is why all of their rulings were overturned by scotus, who also stopped the circus that flotus created.

[Aurelius]

That is exactly what it means. The message of these Gore people was, "genuine democracy" requires the vote counters to discern the "true intent" of the voter, even though he screwed up his ballot to a point that made that totally impossible. If you watched some of these people at the time, that is exactly what they were saying, totally irrational.

[Congressman Billybob]

I'm going to hit this subject one more time, and then I am through posting anything on the subject of Gore's loss in Florida after seven recounts.

There is no jurisdiction ANYWHERE IN THE NATION where a so-called "overvote" is counted as a legal vote. These are ballots on which the voter makes two or more (some have all twelve presidential candidates marked) when the instructions for that office say == on the ballot and on the wall of the polling place, "VOTE FOR ONE."

All of us who graduated third grade know exactly why these are not legitimate votes. In third grade we took our first standardized tests, using answer sheets where little ovals had to be blackened in so they could be "read by a computer." Every one of use who made it through the third grade were instructed to make "one answer mark per question." And, we were told that "two marks counted as a wrong answer, even if one of the two marked was the correct answer."

I repeat one more time, an overvote is ALWAYS an illegal vote, because it violates the instructions in a way that every competent nine-year-old in the nation well understands. That is why not even the left=leaning, Democratic Flroida Supreme Court itself ever considered for a nanosecond requiring a recount of "overvotes," because under Florida law -- and the law of every other jurisdiction -- these are illegal votes by definition. No ifs. ands. or buts about it.

There is good evidence to suggest that Lott and Glassman are correct, that some of the "overvotes" were created by black Democratic election officials, in order to invalidate the few (but significant in an election this close) black Republican votes for Bush.

But that doesn't have to be taken into consideration. Without "overvotes," meaning facially illegal votes, Gore lost. So says every research story on the subject including amazingly, CNN an the New York Times. The article posted at the top therefore is a waste of ink and electrons. It can be summarized thusly -- if illegal votes had been somehow counted, Gore would have won.

To the editors and writers of such nonsense, I say, "And your point is...?

Congressman Billybob

[southernnorthcarolina]

I should add, sadly, that the Pullet Surprise restaurant no longer exists, but that the Pulitzer Prize winning Charlotte Observer, also known as Pravda West, or as the Red Rag of Tryon Street, does.

[gcruse]

I should add, sadly, that the Pullet Surprise restaurant no longer exists, but that the Pulitzer Prize winning Charlotte Observer, also known as Pravda West, or as the Red Rag of Tryon Street, does.

Remember the Pickwick (?) restaurant in Atlanta whose proprietor went
on to become one of the weirdest governors Georgia ever had, Lester
Maddox?  Rather than a painting of hisself hanging under the Rotunda,
he ordered a lifesize color enlargement from the photo lab I worked at.
It hung in the state capitol until he left office, then was hidden away
forevermore.

[Still Thinking]

"It can be summarized thusly -- if illegal votes had been somehow counted, Gore would have won."

So, what you're saying is that, if Gore wants to, he can rightly refer to himself as "The Felon's President"? ;-)

[DSHambone]

Had Gore instead asked for a full statewide recount immediately after the Nov. 7 election, as some of his aides urged, there would have been plenty of time to count both undervotes and overvotes before Dec. 12.

DUH - he did get a statewide recount - it just wasn't manual.

[Kermit]

Overvotes have never been counted in any jurisdiction in any country in history.