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In Phoenix, We're Terrorists!
Sierra Times/KABA ^ | 14 Nov 01 | Self

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:30 PM PST by 11B3

Do you defend the Constitution? If the police pull you over, do you want to know why? Have you ever "hacked"? Are you alone? Well, guess what Freepers - if you can answer "Yes" to any of these questions (and a whole bunch more that fits nearly everyone), then you are a terrorist! Instead of continuing my rant, I'll show you the tri-fold pamphlet that this info comes from so that you can do your own ranting. Here it is:

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: Restorer
It still appears that in the battle for mind share that the Fubar Bungling Institute is almost exclusively interested in domestic terrorists.
101 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:50 PM PST by Righty1
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To: NC Conservative
FYI...
102 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:58 PM PST by philman_36
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To: 11B3
"Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in."

I believe it means what it says. Never forget that "they" consider God a threat since he rules by moral laws instead of laws authored by man. Besides, when you have an over burdened bureacracy do you think they'll take the time to truely see if your a radical? They'll ask you some very leading and biased pre-scripted questions which will always show you to be a christian radical. WAKE UP!

103 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:58 PM PST by Alpha
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To: Alpha
"Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in."

I believe it means what it says.

If you don't understand a term, look it up. I recommend Google.

Christian Identity is a very specific group of kooks who claim to be Christians. The vast majority of conservative Christians would disagree with this claim.

104 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:59 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Christian Identity is a very specific group of kooks who claim to be Christians.
I've seen that from many posters already. I wonder how many everyday, run-o'-the-mill LEOs know that.
Do you think that if they are not aware of the specific group in question it could be construed to mean any Christian? Who is to educate all LEOs about this particular group?
If an LEO has a personal grudge against Christians in general could this be open to abuse?
Just some rhetoricals...no need to reply, unless you just want to.
105 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:08 PM PST by philman_36
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To: 11B3

Just got off the phone with duty officer at the FBI after faxing the brochure.

They have verified that it IS OFFICIAL, and that Al Shearer is the point of contact on the Joint Terrorism Task Force.

I am forwarding my earlier email to Tom Tancredo now...
sending it to Senetors, media and others...stay tuned.

A little help getting the word out would be nice folks!!

Perhaps some additional articles linked to this one, etc.

106 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:08 PM PST by Verax
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To: philman_36
Good points. Of course, exactly similar points could be raised about exactly who they mean by black separatists, eco-terrorists and animal rights groups.
107 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:10 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Teacher317
None of the social studies teachers at our schools talk about the Constitution. Their textbooks are written by Howard Zinn and they talk about how terrible Christopher Columbus was and how kids should rise up and DEMAND social justice!

I am not making this up.
108 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:15 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: ppaul
throw the bums out is a good thing for voters to do. Barry Goldwater said in his autobiography that he always split his vote, some Republican, some Democrat, his entire life. Currently we have a bum in Joe Arpaio in the sheriff's slot. We should throw him out, if the other guy turns out to be a bum, then we should throw him out. This is how free people behave as opposed to Republican cheerleaders. There are lots of good Democrats. Here in Arizona the Democrats cannot be too liberal or they'll be removed from office. The Republicans on the other hand have behaved very badly in this state the last few years. My two Senators, my congressman, my governor are all Republicans, I will vote against all of them.

Why don't you give me a break. Last year the Republicans in this state stole 500 million dollars from the taxpayers to give it specifically to upper income people who are mostly republicans. The politicians responsible for this theft haven't resigned, they're Republicans and the party establishment hasn't even asked them to resign. Parents of children in this state desperately want an alternative to the public school system and all our republican leaders have to do is funnel more resources and grease the wheels a bit to expand the existing charter school system that educates 15% of the kids here. The Republicans are doing the opposite and restricting school choice for parents who have to send their kids to the democrat dominated schools. So, don't give me your republican cheerleader crap, this is one citizen who's been stepped on by the Republican scoundrels and I won't ever forget it.

In this state-wide races I'll vote for John Shadegg, Bob Stump, Jeff Flake or Matt Salmon. Other than that I'll vote non-Republican. Country Clubbers and fascists are not for me friend.

109 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:15 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: bakatare
Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in

I remember the FBI saying the same thing (Peter Deutsch?) around Y2K time.

110 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:18 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Verax
excellent work!
111 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:21 PM PST by woollyone
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To: wwjdn
"Take me away! I believe in the Bible and the Constitution...I am a dual offender!"

Oh good grief spare me the dramatics, sheesh. Did you even read my post before vomiting up that bolus?

If believing in the Bible makes you a member of "Christian Identity", then sleeping on a bed with sheets makes you a member of the KKK.

Reading: it's not just for kids...

112 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:22 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Alpha
"Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in."

"I believe it means what it says."

OK, I'll bite. It says "Christian Identity".

If it said "Christian Scientists", and you were a Baptist who worked at a national lab, would you worry that they were coming after you?

It takes a special kind of intelligence to parse "Christian Identity" as something other than the well-known neo-nazi outfit that goes by that name.

113 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:23 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Verax
Was there any doubt that this was official?

As I stated before, I am a Christian and I believe in the Constitution, therefore I am now a criminal, oops I mean Terrorist!

America is doomed. What are the odds on us making it to the next three years as a country? We are fading fast...Russia fell, now it's our turn.

Praise God that I have only one authority over me (GOD)! He never changes and never will! I have a reservation in Heaven, so I can suffer here on Earth.

114 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:24 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: Don Joe
Oh so now YOU are the Authority who decides???
115 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:24 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: It'salmosttolate
Thanks for the link-- interesting site.
116 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:25 PM PST by mafree
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To: philman_36
"Christian Identity is a very specific group of kooks who claim to be Christians."

I've seen that from many posters already. I wonder how many everyday, run-o'-the-mill LEOs know that.
Do you think that if they are not aware of the specific group in question it could be construed to mean any Christian? Who is to educate all LEOs about this particular group?

Think about that for a minute. Do you really think that anyone is so obtuse that they'd arrest Santa Clause (Kriss K. Kringle) because they read a flyer that said to be on the lookout for "KKK" people?

Absurd, isn't it.

No more absurd than trying to scare a bunch of people by insinuating that a call to be wary of "Christian Identity" members is to be interpreted as a threat against "Christians in general".

"But Sarge, I had to kill Rev. Smith -- he identified himself as a Christian, and after all, that FBI flyer and all, well, I had no choice!"

If I had a wet noodle I'd slap you with it right about now. Tell me -- if you don't want neo-nazi outfits to be listed by name, then how do you propose they be listed?

I swear, there are a bunch of panic mongers here who sound like apologists for the neo-nazis. Think about it! You're all jumping up and down screaming bloody murder because the FBI listed a few neo-nazi outfits by name!

Sheesh!

117 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:26 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe; wwjdn
Terminology:

The term "Christian Identity" has two distinct meanings:

1. Anglo-Israelism (a.k.a. British-Israelism): A theological belief that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic and associated cultures are the racial descendents of the tribes of Israel. Thus, by extension, Americans and Canadians, are composed of the descendents of the ancient Israelites of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

2. Racist, Christian-based faith groups: A number of small, extremely conservative Fundamentalist Christian denominations which have accepted Anglo-Israelism, and grafted it to racist, sexist, anti-communist and homophobic beliefs. They view the Jewish people as descendants of Satan. Followers tend to be involved in political movements opposing gun control, equal rights to gays and lesbians, and militia movements.

The second meaning has become dominant in the U.S. and Canada. We will use it for the remainder of this essay.

118 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:26 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
With that definition, I am not a hate group. The problem lies in interpretation. Who makes the rules? Not us!!! Not anymore anyway.
119 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:27 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: Verax; Jim Robinson
"A little help getting the word out would be nice folks!!"

Yes, by all means, let's drop everything and get the word out that the FBI is listing neo-nazi outfits by name, and that we simply won't stand for it!

Free Republic can proudly be known as the outfit that rose to the defense of "Christian Identity" when the FBI listed 'em as bad guys.

Yup, being known as defenders of white supremecist neo-nazi radicals will certainly get FR's name heard far and wide.

Good grief, I think I'm going back to sleep. Maybe when I wake up this thread will have been a bad dream...

120 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:28 PM PST by Don Joe
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