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1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:14 PM PST by truthandlife
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To: Prov3456; esther2; Azbushgal; GretchenEE; ohioWfan; rabidralph; whoever; Hila; califordubya...
Pray without ceasing for our President in making the right decision about Israel
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:33 PM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
"And the Church, for the most part, is not. At least, the Church in the West is not."

1.) Judgment will begin in the House of the Lord.
2.) It is written in the Bible that God will belss those that bless His people and He will curse those that curse His people.
3.) As in Revelation, the Curches that are in the United States could have their candles removed from their lampstand.
4.) 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." And very few in this country have really and truly done what is spoken in that passage.
5.) Last, but not least: "God's word shall not return to Him void, but shall accomplish that where unto He sent it, and prosper in that which He pleases." That means that God's will shall be done with or without our (the church's) help or co-operation.

Of course, what do I know? I'm just a radical-minded RadicalRik

3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:35 PM PST by RadicalRik
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FYI
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:42 PM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Truthandlife, Although it does appear this way, remember the verses above and then read this below:

FROM THE ELIJAH LIST




Note by Steve Shultz: David Dreiling is not only a good friend of 13 years, but a significant prophetic voice. As time goes on, those things he has to share are more and more for this nation and for Israel. As a Jewish man himself, God has been instilling into him more and more the Heart of the Father for Israel. I believe this word to be from the Lord.

--- Steve Shultz

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MESSIANIC PROPHET'S REVELATION: BUSH MAY BE IMPLEMENTING GOD'S STRATEGY REGARDING PALESTINIAN OFFER!

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A Word through David Dreiling, Tennessee

David's email: dryling@bellsouth.net

Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:50 PM

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(Tennessee) -After viewing the George W. Bush's address to the nation this evening, it seems more clear to me than ever that this President truly has Godly Christian values and perspectives. I believe that many, if not the vast majority of Christians, Jews, and Messianic believers feel the same way.

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BUT WHAT OF BUSH'S PLAN TO SUPPORT A PALESTINIAN STATE?

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Nevertheless, many, especially among my brethren in the Messianic Jewish community, and the ever-growing numbers of Christians who have lately felt a strong stirring from the Lord to support Israel--feel confused and angered by the Bush administration's proposal that the United States is ready to recognize and support the establishment of a Palestinian state.

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"I BELIEVE G-D HAS SPOKEN TO ME ON THIS ISSUE---"THIS PLAN IS OF ME."

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I believe that God has spoken to me on this issue. Let me explain.

When the President's remarks concerning this Palestinian issue first became public-- about six weeks ago I instantly felt the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit) whisper in my ear, "This plan is of Me". As I prayed more about it I believe that G-d spoke a little of His strategy to me and I offer it to you in the hopes of reconciling this dilemma concerning whether Bush is being led by God or buckling to pressure from the Arab coalition and others blind to Israel's situation.

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THE LAND BELONGS TO ISRAEL---FOREVER!

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First, it is clear to many believers that G-d's word clearly gave the land of Israel to the Jews forever. The establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 stands as clear testimony that G-d has not abandoned His covenantal relationship with the Children of Israel.

If the Jews were not important in G-d's end-time purposes, why would Satan focus the greatest evil of 20th century and current movements (Nazism and Islamic fundamentalism) on the destruction and death of the Jews. Simply put, the Jews are pivotal in G-d's heart and purposes and the land on which the proposed Palestinian state would occupy is land given to the Jews. I think we all agree on this point. Why then would G-d allow the United States and many other nations' push for Palestinian statehood?

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GOD SPOKE TO ME ABOUT YASSER ARAFAT

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What I believe G-d spoke to me is that Yasser Arafat, the Islamic Fundamentalist "Poster Boy" will lose his stature and political impact if Palestinian statehood occurs.

As it is now, in the mind of the world and the American press, the poor Palestinians are refugees. They are persecuted, poor and homeless. It seems to makes sense that they are so "hopeless" that they can't help but kill those evil Israelis with their big tanks and high tech helicopters.

However, if Yasser Arafat and his people become a real "state", then they become accountable for "state sponsored terrorism". I believe Arafat would much rather be perceived as a peace-loving statesman who can't be held accountable for the acts of a rightfully angry, persecuted people.

Give him a state and he is in trouble.

Not only will his propaganda campaign suffer, but it will also become clear that he is no true Moslem fundamentalist. He is more of a politician. He just might end up being about as popular as Saddam Hussein.

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN HE IS OFFERED A STATE--THAT GOD ALREADY KNOWS

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So, when the USA or the UN offers him a state, I believe, he will refuse--- citing the absolute requirement that Jerusalem (not East Jerusalem) be the capitol of Palestine. He will demand unconditional control of the Temple Mount--something Israel will NEVER relinquish.

A Temple Mount governed by Israel is safe for Moslem worshipers. One governed by Arafat would quickly prohibit Jews and Christians from visiting the Wailing Wall and worshipping there. I believe that Adonai intends to let the entire conflict boil down to the few acres that make up the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

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HE WILL EITHER REFUSE--OR THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE ALTERNATIVE WILL BE WORSE

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Either Arafat will refuse the USA/UN proposal for statehood, as he did Barak's liberal offer, or it will work against him and the Palestinians. The land will surely be returned to Israeli sovereignty, and the day will come when, according to Scripture, "all Israel shall be saved!"

Yet, sometimes G-d's ways are not at all evident. I believe that it is G-d's intent by George Bush's offer of statehood--to expose Arafat's motivations and convictions for what they are. The time will come when all nations will abandon Israel, but is that time just yet?

Zech 12:1-4:

"1 The burden of the word of the L-RD against Yisrael. Thus says the Adonai, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: "Behold, I will make Yerushalim a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Yehudah and Yerushalim. "And it shall happen in that day that I will make Yerushalim a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 'In that day,' says the Adonai, 'I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Yehudah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness.'"

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OSLO GREATLY GRIEVED THE LORD

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Furthermore, I felt Like the L-rd told me that the land in question (The west Bank and East Jerusalem) had effectively been given to the Palestinians in the Oslo accords. I believe those negotiations greatly grieved the L-rd. The intent of the agreement, that the Palestinians would have their own armed police force which would cooperate with Israel and stop terrorism and recognize Israel's right to exist-- was a pipe dream from the outset.

Were Israel today to not give statehood and try to reassert their right to govern the West Bank they would be viewed by the world as hostile invaders.

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GOD IS GUIDING THE THOUGHTS OF THE KING

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I don't know President Bush's motivation in supporting a Palestinian state. Nevertheless, I believe that G-d is, as we should expect and believe, guiding his thoughts.

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the L-RD, like the rivers of water; he turns it wherever He wishes.

Prayer Points:

a) Pray for Americans and especially the American press to get a clearer picture of the character, integrity, and incredible restraint of the leaders in Israel, as over against opposite nature of the PA. Pray that the Americans and the press come to see that many of Mr. Bush's remarks about the Taliban apply equally well to Yasser Arafat's positions. Bin Ladin clearly expressed this when he said that the Americans were responsible for the events of September 11th because of their support of Israel and that the Jihad would continue as long as the Palestinians were being mistreated by Israel.

b) Pray that the L-rd would send confusion into the enemies camp and blindness as expressed in Zech 12:4 above .

David Dreiling

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:55 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: truthandlife
I read a prophecy in Elijah List last week regarding this very thing. He said he believed God was in it and it would show up Arafat and put him in a very bad light. Arafat probably won't accept this treaty and it will do him in. I'm not sure of everything he said, but if you want to see it, just get on Elijah List. It was very interesting.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:01 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: truthandlife
That land was given to the desendants of Ya'acov not Ishamel or Esau. Most nations either don't know this or don't believe it. Personally, as out of fashion as it is, I believe and submit to the will of the creator of the Universe. Historically those who don't wind up as a grease spot on somebody elses shoe.
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:41 PM PST by hsszionist
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