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ABRAHAM LINCOLN: AMERICA’S GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL
Southern Caucus ^ | ? | Ron Holland

Posted on 11/19/2001 6:28:43 AM PST by tberry

ABRAHAM LINCOLN: AMERICA’S GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL

By Ron Holland

from Southern Caucus http://www.southerncaucus.org

Abraham Lincoln should without a doubt be named America’s greatest war criminal. His war of invasion not only killed over 600,000 innocent Americans but it was obvious from his earlier speeches that he had previously advocated the prevalent constitutional right of democratic, state by state secession. Lincoln’s War also effectively overthrew the existing decentralized, limited federal government that had existed and governed well in the US since established by America’s founding fathers. Lincoln bastardized a respected federal government with limited powers into a dictatorial, uncontrollable Washington federal empire.

Because of Lincoln, the former American constitutional republic fell from a dream of liberty and limited government into the nightmare big government we have today without the earlier checks and balances of state sovereignty. After Lincoln, In foreign policy, the US forgot George Washington’s warning about neutrality and we became an aggressive military abroad until today we have troops defending the Washington Empire in over 144 nations around the world.

The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connections as possible. It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.—George Washington

Lincoln shares his war criminal actions with other well know tyrants that waged war on their own people. History shows us that politicians make war against their own citizens even more than against foreign nations. The reasons are often to establish and preserve their power base, as was the case in the Russian Revolution and the Mao Revolution. For others, like Hitler, it was misguided super patriotism and racism that brought death to tens of millions. Sadly, in the case of Abraham Lincoln’s war against the Confederacy and Southern civilians, it was all for money, company profits and government tariff revenues. A simple case of political pay back in return for the Northeastern manufacturing interests that supported the Republican Party and his campaign for the presidency. Early in his career, Abraham Lincoln was an honorable statesman who let election year politics and the special interests supporting his presidential campaign corrupt a once great man. He knew what he was doing was wrong and unconstitutional but succumbed, as in the case of many modern day politicians, to the allure of money, power and ego.

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit. -- Abraham Lincoln January 12, 1848

This quote above shows Lincoln as a statesman 12 years before he plunged the United States into its most disastrous war. Suffering a death toll so high in death rates as a percentage of total population, his act of carnage ranks with the political genocides of Stalin, Lenin and Mao during their communist revolutions. A death toll so great that it dwarfs the American deaths in all of our many declared and undeclared wars before and since this American holocaust of death and destruction.

From the following quote you can see that later Lincoln radically adjusted his rhetoric to meet the needs and demands of his business establishment supporters and financial supporters.

No state, upon its own mere motion, can lawfully get out of the Union. Plainly, the central idea of secession, is the essence of anarchy. --Abraham Lincoln

Why the complete change in rhetoric and actions? Simple, to preserve high tariffs and corporate profits for the Northeastern business establishment. Lincoln who earlier in his career had obviously favored the right of peaceful secession, provoked a war that killed 600,000 Americans, as a pay back to the eastern manufacturing establishment that bankrolled his presidential campaign. These special interests would have suffered serious financial loss if a low tariff Confederate States of America were allowed to peacefully, democratically and constitutionally secede from the United States in lawful state constitutional conventions of secession which were identical to the ratification conventions when they had joined the Union. Thus the real reasons for the death and destruction of Lincoln’s War were covered up and hidden by historians who continue, even today, to deny the truth and hide the ultimate costs of Lincoln’s American holocaust. While Lincoln’s death toll is small in comparison to total deaths by Mao, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler, there are many similarities between these men. In the Russian Civil War, from 1917 - 1922 around 9 million died under Lenin and we must add another 20 million under Stalin from 1929 to 1939. The Mao communist regime in China killed 44 to 70 million Chinese from 1949 – 1975.

Still the US constitutional republic, as established by our founding fathers, was in effect destroyed by Lincoln’s unconstitutional war just as surely as Mao and Lenin over threw the existing Chinese and Russian governments. The multitude of Lincoln apologists would say that this is just another Confederate argument certainly not accepted by most historians. I might counter that the opinions and books of these "so called" establishment historians who live off my tax dollars through government funding at liberal controlled universities and think tanks are prejudiced towards Lincoln and Washington DC. They are no different from the official government historians in China, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Their job is to lie to the American people and cover up a true and honest account of our history in order to support the government and political system in power.

History shows us that a fair and honest discussion of Lincoln’s wartime actions will not be possible as long as the Washington political establishment remains in power. Since Lincoln, the Washington Empire has reigned supreme and omnipotent and for this reason, establishment historians have never honestly debated the Lincoln war crimes.

Consider this. Was a fair and honest account of Lenin or Stalin written and published during the Soviet Communist regime? Of course not. Could a less than worshipful history of Hitler’s Third Reich have been published until after 1945? No! Even today, with only nominal communist control of China, an honest appraisal of Mao’s revolution and crimes against the Chinese people still is not possible. It is no different today in the United States than it is in Red China or was in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Just as Lenin’s statue could not be toppled in Red Square until after the fall of the Soviet Communist government, or the truth about Hitler couldn’t be told until after defeat of Nazi Germany, it is the same here in the United States. It is my hope that someday, in the not too distant future, a true account of the war crimes of Lincoln will be discussed, debated and even acknowledged. The Lincoln Memorial should be remodeled to show the horrors of "Lincoln the War Criminal" with the opportunity for all to visit Washington and learn how war crimes, genocide and holocaust are not just crimes that foreign politicians commit. Government and political tyranny can and has happened here just like in Germany, China and the Soviet Union and that through education and honest history, it will never happen here again.

In the future, may we have the opportunity to learn about the Nazi holocaust at the United States National Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington and then have the chance to visit the Lincoln War Crimes and American Holocaust Museum a few blocks away. One will state for all the world that NEVER AGAIN will a tyrant or government be allowed to target, exterminate and destroy an ethnic, racial or religious minority. The other will pledge NEVER AGAIN in America will we allow a president or government to make unconstitutional war against Sovereign states or their citizens and then cover up the truth up for over 145 years.

We should start today with an honest appraisal of what Lincoln really did to Dixie, how our black and white innocent noncombatants suffered under his total war policy against civilians. Finally we should address the cost in lives, lost liberty and federal taxes the citizens of the US have had to endure because our limited constitutional republic was destroyed.

Abraham Lincoln was a great man, a smart politician and he could have been an excellent president, had he considered the short-term costs of his high tariff and the long time price every American had to pay for his war of invasion. It is time to stop worshipping Lincoln and educate the public about the war crimes he committed against the citizens of the Southern States so this WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abelincoln; dixie; dixielist; goebbels; mediawingofthednc; presidents; prozacchewables; wot
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1 posted on 11/19/2001 6:28:43 AM PST by tberry
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uh oh...this is going to get ugly...
2 posted on 11/19/2001 6:30:46 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: tberry
While many informed historians will agree that Lincoln was not 100% innocent, this is WAY off base! This garbage is a waste of bandwidth...
3 posted on 11/19/2001 6:32:46 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: tberry
You should thank Lincoln every day. Without the benefit of the civil war the South would be like South Africa today with 95% blacks, and whites fearing for their lives. Be grateful for the Great Emancipator.
4 posted on 11/19/2001 6:32:48 AM PST by imperator2
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To: Republican Wildcat
I was thinking the same thing, even b4 clicking on the headline.
5 posted on 11/19/2001 6:33:27 AM PST by slowry
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To: tberry
The primary issue is to prove that the earth is flat. Then, we can ponder this Lincoln thing!
6 posted on 11/19/2001 6:34:04 AM PST by verity
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To: tberry
Well, I'm glad to seen that stupidity is alive and well!
7 posted on 11/19/2001 6:35:30 AM PST by Destructor
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To: TommyDale
Whomever made this stuff up must be on a trip of some kind, probably an old friend of Timothy Leary's.
8 posted on 11/19/2001 6:35:32 AM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: tberry
What is this, Bash Lincoln Day? At a time when it is desirable to keep the country focused and united, this drivel is unhelpful and unwelcome.
9 posted on 11/19/2001 6:35:46 AM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: Gordian Blade
Today is the Anniversary of the Gettysburg Address -- an article about it was posted earlier and it brought all the Hate-mongers out of the woodwork.
10 posted on 11/19/2001 6:37:12 AM PST by commish
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To: tberry
Abraham Lincoln should without a doubt be named America’s greatest war criminal.

Sorry, but that's total bullshit. The civil war was a conflict between a new American system, including both the new political freedoms and the thing then called the American System of Economics (Friedrich List's theories and the rapid funding of infrastructure) all of which stressed the worth and dignity of individuals, and the total system of exploitation which was the British Empire after the Napoleanic wars.

Anybody who could call Abe Lincoln a war criminal or traitor is an idiot who should be in a cage for people to stare at at the zoo.

11 posted on 11/19/2001 6:37:34 AM PST by medved
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To: Gordian Blade
I think they turned Joseph Stalin lose here in the states and he is hiring fellow communists to post trash like this.
12 posted on 11/19/2001 6:37:36 AM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: imperator2
You should thank Lincoln every day. Without the benefit of the civil war the South would be like South Africa today with 95% blacks, and whites fearing for their lives. Be grateful for the Great Emancipator.

Bravo!

So few people realize that the south was destroying itself morally and fiscally with it's devotion to slavery, and that the North actually put it out of it's misery to save itself.

Consider Afghanistan. There is no way on earth the Union could have beaten the south if the south had not known in it's heart of hearts that it was an abysmal failure overall and most certainly on the wrong path.

13 posted on 11/19/2001 6:40:24 AM PST by Elihu Burritt
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To: PeaRidge; goodieD; HELLRAISER II; margie; NovemberCharlie; BlackbirdSST; from occupied ga...
...& to think that those people put his face on the money we're forced to pay taxes with.
14 posted on 11/19/2001 6:40:39 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: tberry
Ok, who let the Lew Rockwellites out of their squalid cage today?
15 posted on 11/19/2001 6:43:00 AM PST by egarvue
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To: tberry
This is pretty good stand up comedy in sort of a noir sense. Likely Ron Holland is contemplating pieces on the ANC as the peacemakers for our time and the Taliban as great statesmen.
16 posted on 11/19/2001 6:43:38 AM PST by stevem
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To: shuckmaster
"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the ower, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better."

I used to think that Lincoln was referring to the founding of our country, but have come to the understanding that Lincoln was referring to himself.

17 posted on 11/19/2001 6:48:04 AM PST by 4CJ
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To: commish
Ah, yes, I should have remembered. Read the Gettysburg Address and the Second Inaugural Address and you get pretty close to the soul of the man.
18 posted on 11/19/2001 6:48:12 AM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: tberry
tberry, are you employed by Al-Jazeera.

You're a natural.

19 posted on 11/19/2001 6:49:19 AM PST by Yankee
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To: Northman
I wonder if there are folks in England that still rant with spit flying from their lips about the Restoration.

No.

Regards, Ivan

FreeBritannia.co.uk
21 posted on 11/19/2001 6:52:02 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Northman
You know you bring an interesting point to mind. I wonder if the People in England ever think about how many people have died in Scotland and Ireland due to opression from England over the years. I wonder if that wouldn't make them the greatest war criminal ever.
22 posted on 11/19/2001 6:52:13 AM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: samuel_adams_us; MadIvan
Not in England. But in Scotland and Ireland, I suspect the Answer is yes.
23 posted on 11/19/2001 6:57:00 AM PST by Loopy
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To: tberry
Alcoa To Open New Plant

(AP)- The Alcoa corp. said today that, although they regret having to close a small plant in Pennsylvania,
they are pleased to announce the opening of a new TIN FOIL factory.
A spokesman for Alcoa said, "This new plant will be dedicated to the memory of Abraham Lincoln
and its output will be able to supply the needs of fools, idiots, morons and cretins like Ron Holland
and those who buy into his tripe"

25 posted on 11/19/2001 6:58:35 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: tberry
BUMP
26 posted on 11/19/2001 7:00:26 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: eauxgod
In your opinion, what was the Civil War about?
27 posted on 11/19/2001 7:01:49 AM PST by HarryDunne
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To: eauxgod
Welcome to fr. First, don't shout. Second, you will find that we welcome rational arguments. Third, we welcome diversity and people who suffer from too much inbreeding.
29 posted on 11/19/2001 7:02:44 AM PST by beekeeper
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To: tberry

30 posted on 11/19/2001 7:03:43 AM PST by SerpentDove
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Watch out...Ditto, WhiskeyPapa, and Non-Sequitor are going to follow you over here from the "Lincoln was not elected" thread and bludgeon you with their reams of statistics that still don't prove that secession was illegal. Keep your powder dry.
31 posted on 11/19/2001 7:03:51 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: Northman
the traitors lost.

Both sides lost in that war. Not sure what you mean by traitors

33 posted on 11/19/2001 7:06:10 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: tberry
Here you go…



and instructions.
34 posted on 11/19/2001 7:06:32 AM PST by bluetoad
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To: eauxgod
Its a useless battle, but welcome. The usual suspects will accuse you of being inbred, racist, backward, the whole nine yards. Don't expect a rational debate, just thousands of words cut and paste off the Internet that prove how morally superior the slave-trading northerners were.
35 posted on 11/19/2001 7:06:53 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: Leesylvanian
Just observing right now --- no need to jump in. The trash is this article is making you neo-rebs look like total fools.
36 posted on 11/19/2001 7:09:36 AM PST by Ditto
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To: medved
"Anybody who could call Abe Lincoln a war criminal or traitor is an idiot who should be in a cage for people to stare at at the zoo."

Why not follow Stalin's lead: Have them shot!

38 posted on 11/19/2001 7:14:01 AM PST by Bob Mc
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To: Leesylvanian
But it's fun. And secession was not illegal, even Lincoln said it was ok. And of course, we all know that "honest" Abe Lincoln never lied. And we only had 8 amendments in the Bill of Rights.
39 posted on 11/19/2001 7:20:21 AM PST by 4CJ
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To: Leesylvanian
I love it when the rebs come out to play. Reminds me of what a thorough job Abe and Sherman and US Grant did on these losers. They're still crying about it. Well, let 'em. War's over. You lost. America won. But it's so much fun to hear you howl...keep it up, by all means.
40 posted on 11/19/2001 7:20:55 AM PST by ArcLight
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To: Ditto
I didn't read the article, I was just offering eauxgod some friendly insight. BTW, I'm not a neo-reb or whatever else you want to call me. We just have a different opinion on whether or not secession was legal. Doesn't make either one of us a bad person. Freegards.
41 posted on 11/19/2001 7:21:02 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: Ditto
Lincoln radically adjusted his rhetoric to meet the needs and demands of his business establishment supporters and financial supporters.

Thought that needed repeating.

42 posted on 11/19/2001 7:22:18 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: tberry
Ron Holland, no doubt should be in an insane asylum.
43 posted on 11/19/2001 7:23:32 AM PST by Texbob
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Don't you remember from the thread on Friday: The North was richer and considered itself morally superior; therefore, secession was not legal!
45 posted on 11/19/2001 7:24:09 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: samuel_adams_us
I wonder if the People in England ever think about how many people have died in Scotland and Ireland due to opression from England over the years

Oh please, the Scots were threatening to invade us if we didn't become Presbyterians. Cromwell smashed them. There was a Royalist army in Ireland. Cromwell smashed them too. England dealt with a threat. Tough if you don't like it.

Ivan
46 posted on 11/19/2001 7:25:14 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
I was talking about those upright Northerners who made their profit from building slave ships, selling and trading slaves, using raw materials gleaned from slave labor for use in their factories, etc.
47 posted on 11/19/2001 7:26:43 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: tberry
Yawn... just more of the same revisionist interpretations of history we have had the unfortunate privilege of hearing. So much has been left out, so many inconvenient aspects of reality, as it existed then, and now, that one need not spend too much time refuting the various and sundry misconceptions and outright distortions listed above. Yah, yah, sure, sure. Lincoln was Hitler... uh huh. Just more of the same...
48 posted on 11/19/2001 7:28:17 AM PST by Richard Axtell
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
There were a few Northerners who did trade slaves

For over 200 years!

49 posted on 11/19/2001 7:28:43 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: All
I am overwhelmed by the profundity of the arguments, the precision of the logic, and the depth of knowledge and understanding of history, of those who have come forth to defend that great American, Abraham Lincoln, on this thread.
50 posted on 11/19/2001 7:31:32 AM PST by Aurelius
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