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To: spycatcher
Notice how you didn't challenge what I said you replaced it with something else. I never said anything about the evolution of the moon, it's the surface that was in question. And he was at least partially right in stating (unlike others who mocked him) that it was covered in a thick layer of dust. So why should he admit he was wrong about it when he wasn't wrong?

As I recall, you're the one who linked me to a NASA web site, claiming it "vindicated" Gold on the Moon. My posts 134 and 140 above shows how it does not do so. Forum readers can judge this one for themselves.

And what has Gold's petroleum geology model generated? How about saving us billions of dollars due to current low oil prices? They're as low as they are because Russia, using Gold's theories, is drilling oil from basement rock like crazy and refusing to stop for OPEC.

From this, I gather you're under the impression that Russian oil comes from their "basement rocks." Nothing could be further from the truth; the most productive fields in Russia are near the Caspian sea, a Paleozoic basin, and mid-Siberia, another sedimentary basin. These proven reserves, which are just now being tapped, will produce billions of barrels, all from the sedimentary "overburden." But, some clown sucks out some paraffin from a deep well and all of the Russian oil comes from "basement" huh? ROFL!! FReeper science!

And decades of "careful work" by boneheaded scientists is no reason to believe anything (for instance man-made global warming) when a few hours of careful thought can put the lie to group-think conventional wisdom.

Oh brave new world that has such people in it! Thank God for Tommy Gold, come to show us all how science has misunderstood the world. It so happens that billions of dollars in technology is based on this so-called "conventional wisdom", essentially all of our modern technical society. But of course, in true paranoid fashion, you'll believe that Gold's "good ideas" are being deliberately suppressed by "boneheaded scientists." Har!!

Gold fits the classic version of "pathological science" -- 1) publication of wildly heterodox views, mostly through widespread (and loud) media articulation; 2) plaintive cries of "persecution by the scientific establishment", with gratuitous swipes at the horrible, oppressive "peer review process", which is bent on suppressing his brilliant ideas; 3) heated claims to have been "right" on past crazy ideas, like Moon dust and Martian microbes; 4) heated claims the current non-results, in actual fact, vindicate his original idea. Thus, twelve barrels of sludge from the drill lubricant in Sweden proves the Baltic shield is an oil bonanza rivaling the Persian Gulf!!

Same old story -- cold fusion, N-rays, cosmic ice, Piltdown man, and now, abiotic petroleum. There's one born every minute. Looks like in you, Gold has found his.

157 posted on 11/20/2001 3:24:44 PM PST by Cincinatus
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To: Cincinatus
remember the "deep oceans of dust" that the Lunar Modules were supposed to sink into? That's another brilliant Cincinatus strawman insight.

This just in...there is dust covering the moon as he predicted there would be. He never said anyone would be swallowed up. Now you're going round and round trying to excuse your try at slander by saying he refuses to admit he was wrong about moon evolution. So what? He's not Jesus Christ. Even Einstein was wrong about things.

And as for your claim that in Sweden "After expending tens of millions of dollars, with absolutely nothing to show for it but some trace, crustal gases" You're just spouting BS that you obviously didn't have a clue about, and I properly called you on it and you still haven't admitted you were wrong! (That means you're a crank according to your own definition) Actually it proved that he could get 80 barrels of oil from an area that was supposed to have zero oil, and the Russians have taken that info and...

This just in...since you haven't been reading as to not interfere with your opinions... "Drilling into crystalline bedrock is now underway in Russia on a large scale. More than 300 wells have been drilled to a depth of more than 5 km and are productive, as also is the giant White Tiger field offshore Vietnam, mostly producing also from basement rock." and..."

...There are presently more than 80 oil and gas fields in the Caspian district alone which were explored and developed by applying the perspective of the modern theory and which produce from the crystalline basement rock.(Krayushkin, Chebanenko et al. 1994) Similarly, such exploration in the western Siberia cratonic-rift sedimentary basin has developed 90 petroleum fields of which 80 produce either partly or entirely from the crystalline basement. The exploration and discoveries of the 11 major and 1 giant fields on the northern flank of the Dneiper -Donets basin have already been noted. There are presently deep drilling exploration projects under way in Azerbaijan, Tatarstan, and Asian Siberia directed to testing potential oil and gas reservoirs in the crystalline basement."

By the way...this just in...pulsars are rotating neutron stars. Luckily we have Thomas Gold to make a fool out of people like yourself who thought his ideas were heresy and shouldn't even be talked about, let alone listened to. Those were your "blind pigs." Sorry, I mean "respected scientists."

Asd far as NASA's martian rock... "they have not eliminated the possibility that the Martian crystals could have a biological origin." And the scientist who made the latest claim never examined the rock. So don't get too excited, Gold's still not wrong on that one yet.

Just because most of the scientific community bought into man-made global warming or any other hypothesis doesn't make it so.

You might want to look at facts and not be so emotional and arrogant to think you know everything. I'm sure you're still seething at Einstein overturning the Newtonian world that scientists had worked so hard for decades on. Too bad, discovery moves on. Facts are facts.

You would do well to read this and take it to heart.

P.S. Just so we can verify your scientific knowledge for the record, please feel free to expound upon the impossibility of discovering ancient man-made structures a half-mile under the ocean off Cuba.

158 posted on 11/20/2001 4:42:55 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Interesting quote from p.85 of Gold's Book -- The Deep Hot Biosphere:

"Nobody has yet synthesized crude oil or coal in the lab from a beaker of algae or ferns. A simple heuristic will show why such synthesis would be extremely unlikely. To begin with, remember that carbohydrates, proteins, and other biomolecules are hydrated carbon chains. These biomolecules are fundamentally hydrocarbons in which oxygen atoms (and sometimes other elements, such as nitrogen) have been substituted for one or two atoms of hydrogen. Biological molecules are therefore not saturated with hydrogen. Biological debris buried in the earth would be quite unlikely to lose oxygen atoms and to acquire hydrogen atoms in their stead. If anything, slow chemical processing in geological settings should lead to further oxygen gain and thus further hydrogen loss. And yet a hydrogen “gain” is precisely what we see in crude oils and their hydrocarbon volatiles. The hydrogen-to-carbon ratio is vastly higher in these materials than it is in undegraded biological molecules. How, then, could biological molecules somehow acquire hydrogen atoms while, presumably, degrading into petroleum?"

And from the above link...

Countries With Hydrocarbon Finds In Basement Reservoirs

The reservoirs are organised by continent

Europe
North America
South America
Asia
Africa
CIS and Russia
Middle East
Oceania

Under CIS and Russia: "...more wells have been drilled into crystalline basements within the FSU than all other nations combined with the consequence of greater production. For example, the Caspian district has a total of eighty fields producing from crystalline basements. Unlike the majority of drilling operations which cease as soon as basement rocks are encountered (Aguilera, 1995b), Krayushkin et al (1994) state that all of the hydrocarbon fields within the FSU producing from crystalline basements were developed intentionally."

172 posted on 11/20/2001 7:23:50 PM PST by spycatcher
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