Posted on 11/19/2001 3:41:35 PM PST by Sabramerican
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Afrikaaners live at a latitude where "light" skin can be maintained - they are hardly Central Africans.
The vitamin D thing kept human beings from living North of the 30th parallel until they had developed a way to acquire sufficient Vitamin D from a very, very, very extensive fish diet. Eskimos are among those who developed such a diet - including the eating of raw sea mammal livers - a major source of Vitamin D. Quite possibly their darker skinned offspring didn't die in infancy from rickets. As far as Arawaks being lighter than Central Africans, it is suggested that the Arawaks are recent arrivals to their present territory, plus they, like all other persons of predominantly American Indian ancestry, are of mixed European/Indian descent.
Again, there's a lot of this stuff on the net.
If Cohenim took African wives the Cohen gene (which must be some powerful gene) would be there but the descendants would not be considered Jews... by other Jews.
"The vitamin D thing kept human beings from living North of the 30th parallel until they had developed a way to acquire sufficient Vitamin D from a very, very, very extensive fish diet."
Fine, let's look at somebody else. The descendants of the Spaniards and other Europeans in the tropics in places like Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico or Peru have lived there for as long as 500 years. They have maintained their light skin.
If what you say is true then you are saying that Jews do not admit converts? For example, if I decided to convert to Judaism I would never be accepted as a real Jew?
What if a Cohen Jew married a black African woman. And then his son married a black woman and then his son married a black woman and this one's son married a black woman. But then suppose that this last one's son married a Jewish woman with pure Jewish lineage... It's a little convoluted but you could get an individual with the Cohen gene with a direct Jewish line on the mother's side that had a lot of non-Jewish ancestors and who physically looked Negroid.
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that maybe they didn't convert?
If the women did not convert then that would tend to imply that the Lemba Jews are of Jewish ancestry through both the maternal and paternal lines. If so then this has to be reconciled with the claim that the Ashkenazic Jews are pure on both the maternal and paternal lines. The Lemba and the Ashkenazim cannot both be 100% pure genetic Jews on both the maternal and paternal lines.
I think the case of the Lemba serves to prove my case that there has been mixing among Jewish populations in general. The Lemba have the highest degree of purity in the Cohen priestly gene. If blacks can have the highest degree of purity in this priestly Y-chromosome gene then I can see no other possible choice but to conclude that there actually has been quite a bit of mixing between Jews and the people amongst which they live with the end result that Jews tend to resemble the populations amongst which they live. If Jewish immigrants mixed with blacks in Africa so as to produce a population of Negroid Jews then surely a similar process may also have happened in Europe and elsewhere. At the same time, the genetic evidence shows that Jews also do have some genetic commonalities among them. But there also has been mixing.
A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE.
They were either descendents of the northern Ten Tribes (Israel) or the southern kingdom (Judea) by Judah or Benjamin, and hence, Jews.
I have no idea to what you are referring. If we are speaking of the same group, all I heard is that they have the gene of the Cohanim.
I have written above, that it is possible that there are people all over who are of Jewish decent and don't even know of their ancestors. I would guess there would be many such types from Spanish and Italian backgrounds. That is not the issue. If those people find that they are Jews and want to identify with the Jewish people, they are welcome.
The issue is the direct decent of today's Jews from their distant ancestors.
It ain't bullshit, but it ain't what the arabs claim it is either. There is major evidence to support the theory that the Khazars were remnants of the ten tribes carried off by the Assyrians.
What I am saying is that the Lemba and the Ashkenazim cannot both be 100% pure Jews. What is your answer to that? Are you saying that the Lemba are not really Jews because their maternal line is not Jewish? What is your answer to this question that I raise?
Assumimg you're a male, you can have a child who is "100% pure Jewish": if you define Jewish as being fully accepted as a Jew in a minyan (prayer service) or for any other reason by other Jews.
The issue here, again, is not who is Jewish. The issue is whether I, or other Jews,are direct descendants of the Jews you read about in the Bible.
This is not exactly the Khazar claim. The Khazar claim is that about the year 1,000 there were a Turkic-Slavic people living in what is now south Russia. They were pagans. Their king decided he wanted a monotheistic religion. He invited a Muslim, a Jew and Christian to try to chose one of them. Supposedly, in the end, he chose Judaism by sort of throwing the dice. Supposedly then the people had to convert to Judaism. Supposedly some Jewish men also went to live among the Khazars and intermarried. The claim then is that the Ashkenazim are descended from the Khazars.
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