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To: TopQuark; sweetliberty
"the myth out there that Islam is a peaceful religion."

"And who are you to judge this a myth?"

This is a free country, Mr. Islamist-defender. He's an American, and he has the right to voice his observations.

"What advanced degrees in religious studies and theology do you have to breath out accusations with such ease?"

Get real. It doen't take degrees in aeronautical engineering and architecture to recognize the fact that your islamic friends attacked my country on 9/11.

Frankly, at this stage of the game, the onus is upon he who asserts that islam is a "peaceful religion".

All of a sudden so many people have become experts in religion, especially of others --- religions of which they knew not a word just last summer. Shame on you. To accuse someone without a due cause is not Christian."

No, shame on you. How shameful for an islamist advocate to stand in judgement of a Christian -- specifically a Christian who is being attacked for having stated the obvious.

Go do some studying beyond plucking out a few quotes from Quran before you start throwing around judgements like that!

One need study little more than a newspaper these days, to realize that islam is rife with violence.

39 posted on 11/20/2001 10:13:03 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Frankly, at this stage of the game, the onus is upon he who asserts that islam is a "peaceful religion".

Agreed. It is undisputed that the world has many Islamic terrorists, and that many Moslems cheer when they strike.

Because of these undisputed facts, the onus is unquestionably on Islam to prove its peaceful nature, not the other way around.

Attacking those who point out this obvious fact says something about the attacker, not the one making the observation.

40 posted on 11/20/2001 10:29:53 AM PST by EternalHope
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Dear Mr. Jon Doe. I do appreaciate the civility and politeness of your replies. But, I am sorry to say, it is really hard to agree with you. Just one centence from #36:

This is a free country, Mr. Islamist-defender. He's an American, and he has the right to voice his observations. 1. Yes, it is a free country, but the government is not the only impedement to speech --- ignorance is too. But then again, only in our country is ignorance declared bliss. The whole point I made was that one should know enough before rushing to judgement, especially if it is a negative, hence costly, hudgement.
2. You referred to me as "Islamist defender." Not only I am not --- I feel we show them too much mercy. I will defend any religion mine or any other, against needless and unfounded attackes. I continue to annunciate a simle message: we are at war with the "Islam church", not religion. Jesus has not ordered the crusades; the Church did. There is a difference.

Here is another:
One need study little more than a newspaper these days, to realize that islam is rife with violence.Take any newspaper from 1880s, say --- before the socialists and liberals, and massive immigration --- when noone disputed that America was a Christian nation. Read about the killing of Indians, bank robberies, mureder and rape. What does that paper say about the message of Jesus? Nothing, right?

Today, too, we sohuld not blame holy books. For the murders of our people we should blame the individuals who have committed them and the muslim clerics who inspired these attrocities. Them we should eradicate from the face of the earth. But please stop at that: holy books have nothing to do with that.

Martin Luther was calling his followers to burn the sinagogues and kill the Jews. Where in the Bible has he read that? We have learned from our mistakes, and should not go back to needless prejudice.

I could address more lines from your post. But I hope you can see now that you (i) take offense to the things you think I said but I did not, and (ii) are a bit hasty in your coclusions.

69 posted on 11/20/2001 1:11:52 PM PST by TopQuark
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