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Patrick J. Buchanan: Mideast peace an illusion?
WorldNetDaily ^ | Tuesday, November 20, 2001 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 11/19/2001 9:07:12 PM PST by ouroboros

"Israel controls the Senate," said J. William Fulbright, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, in 1973. "We should be more concerned about the United States' interests." That nothing has changed was evident this weekend. Secretary of State Powell received a letter, instigated by the Israeli lobby and signed by 89 U.S. senators, directing him not to interfere with Israel's crushing of the Palestinian uprising.

President Bush may have promised the Peace Party, Tony Blair and the Saudis he will use his muscle to broker a just peace. If he did, he made a promise he cannot keep. For the conditions of peace that seemed present when Ehud Barak led Israel no longer exist. The moment has passed, the window has closed.

Real peace requires something close to what Barak offered Arafat: a Palestinian state with full sovereignty over Gaza, the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and the Islamic holy places. This would entail a dismantling of Israeli settlements and withdrawal to something like the borders of 1967.

That is impossible now. Sharon not only distrusts Arafat, he detests him and rejects the Oslo formula of land-for-peace. Sharon believes the Arabs will use a Palestinian state as a base camp for a new war of annihilation. He won his office by accusing Barak of pandering to terror and inviting national suicide. Should he offer Arafat a similar deal, his Cabinet would break up and he would be replaced by Benjamin Netanyahu.

More important, with this latest intifada marked by massacres of children at pizza parlors, Israelis no longer believe security can be found cheek-by-jowl with an Arafat-led Palestinian state. Who can blame them?

But if Arafat is considered by Israelis to be a terrorist, among the Palestinians, he is increasingly viewed as a poodle of America and an appeaser of Zion. Palestinians have lost 700 dead in this uprising – including women and children – and thousands wounded. For fighting against Israeli troops, it is Hamas and Islamic Jihad who are capturing the hearts of the young. Arafat's mandate is running out.

Moreover, Bush cannot force Sharon to give up occupied land, for he cannot threaten Sharon with a cut-off in aid. Should he try, he will call down the rage of Congress and the wrath of the Israeli lobby and its Amen Corner. Not since Dwight Eisenhower, safely re-elected, ordered Ben-Gurion to get his army out of Sinai in 1957 has a president compelled Israel to meet U.S. demands.

When Israeli and U.S. policies clash, it is U.S. presidents who back down. For 30 years, the United States has held that settlements in the territories occupied in the 1967 war were "illegal" and impediments to peace. Yet, despite $100 billion in U.S. aid to Israel since 1972 – $20,000 for every Israeli – the number of settlers has risen from 8,400 to 357,000. Israel ignores U.S. pleas and demands, for it knows they are bluster and bluff, designed for Arab consumption.

Should Bush invest his postwar popularity and prestige in a Palestine with its capital in East Jerusalem, he will see both dissipated, while failing, even as his predecessors have failed.

Already, Bush's suggestion that he supports Israeli concessions for a Palestinian state, to draw down anti-American venom in the Islamic world, was met with Sharon's retort that Israel will not play the role of Czechoslovakia to Bush's Neville Chamberlain. In a normal relationship, such a gross and gratuitous insult would have brought a recall of the U.S. ambassador. Instead, it produced a wimpish little peep of protest from Ari Fleischer.

Bush should look over the horizon and ask himself what Israel will demand as the price of a Palestinian state. It is: scores of billions of U.S. dollars to take down settlements, whose building we opposed, and a permanent U.S.-Israeli military alliance, backed up by the presence of U.S. troops. This would guarantee Americans fighting in every future Israeli war. And this we cannot give.

Prediction: Bush and Powell will start up the road to a brokered peace and find they are on a political Highway of Death. Karl Rove will walk into the Oval Office and say, "Mr. President, it is not worth it, it is not working – we are down to 60 percent in the polls. Let's go back to benign neglect."

Israelis will emerge victorious and delighted. The Arabs will be frustrated and outraged, and Bush's prestige in the Arab world will vanish as his father's did after Desert Storm. In Kuwait, they no longer name their children Bush, but Osama. So, the downward spiral toward an Arab-Israeli and U.S.-Islamic war will continue and the enemies of peace, on all sides, will be exulted, and exalted.

Where have you gone, Gen. Eisenhower?


Patrick J. Buchanan was twice a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination and the Reform Party’s candidate in 2000. Now a commentator and columnist, he served three presidents in the White House, was a founding panelist of three national televison shows, and is the author of six books. His current position is chairman of The American Cause. His newest book, "Death of the West," will be published in January.


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1 posted on 11/19/2001 9:07:12 PM PST by ouroboros
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To: Mercuria; diotima; sheltonmac; Either/Or; Askel5; mrustow; UnBlinkingEye; Campion Moore Boru...
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2 posted on 11/19/2001 9:08:16 PM PST by ouroboros
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To: ouroboros
and find they are on a political Highway of Death.

You ought to know, Mr. WND cub reporter.
Has any former candidate fallen so far so fast?

3 posted on 11/19/2001 9:12:53 PM PST by PRND21
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To: ouroboros
Pat Buchanan bump.
4 posted on 11/19/2001 9:23:51 PM PST by mafree
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To: ouroboros
BTTT Of course Mideast peace is an illusion. Bible Prophecy predicts that the Anti-Christ will usher in a Mideast peace-it lasts 31/2 years! Pat is right, as usual.
6 posted on 11/19/2001 9:46:05 PM PST by brat
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To: ouroboros
Pat was on Fox News tonight, and they were talking about immigration policies. Some were tearing into him! He got angry and said: "IT'S OUR HOME! IT'S NOT SOME JOB FAIR FOR CORPORATIONS SO THEY CAN HIRE CHEAP LABOR! IT'S OUR HOME! Bravo Pat!
7 posted on 11/19/2001 9:48:44 PM PST by brat
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To: ouroboros
There is that phrase again "Amen corner." Pat would reward terrorists. He is right on immigration, wrong on this issue.

I say if Israel must, take another 50 miles as a wider perimeter, as a pre-emptive move for their own security. Arafat had his chance, and refused it. Palestinians are terrorists, and will not stop if given a state.

8 posted on 11/19/2001 11:04:18 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: ouroboros
Where have you gone, Gen. Eisenhower?

During the Eisenhower regime, Ezra Taft Benson, his appointee to to secretary of agriculture, enacted federal programs that led directly to over 1,000,000 Southerners being displaced from their farms.

9 posted on 11/20/2001 2:24:00 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: ouroboros
So let me get this straight...

More important, with this latest intifada marked by massacres of children at pizza parlors, Israelis no longer believe security can be found cheek-by-jowl with an Arafat-led Palestinian state. Who can blame them?

And then he rants about the Israeli lobby? So he RECOGNIZES that Arafat wants to destroy Israel, but he complains that the U.S. won't let him!! What nerve!

10 posted on 11/20/2001 2:52:44 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: ouroboros
"When Israeli and U.S. policies clash, it is U.S. presidents who back down. For 30 years, the United States has held that settlements in the territories occupied in the 1967 war were "illegal" and impediments to peace. Yet, despite $100 billion in U.S. aid to Israel since 1972 – $20,000 for every Israeli – the number of settlers has risen from 8,400 to 357,000. Israel ignores U.S. pleas and demands, for it knows they are bluster and bluff, designed for Arab consumption."

(The real estate developers of the West Bank settlements are Americans)

11 posted on 11/20/2001 3:01:33 AM PST by Patria One
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To: ouroboros
Pat's simple solution to everything- blame the Jews.
12 posted on 11/20/2001 3:10:22 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: shuckmaster
During the Eisenhower regime, Ezra Taft Benson, his appointee to to secretary of agriculture, enacted federal programs that led directly to over 1,000,000 Southerners being displaced from their farms.

Source? ... Explanation? ... the Sec. Agriculture enacted programs?

13 posted on 11/20/2001 3:29:13 AM PST by bimbo
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To: brat
"IT'S OUR HOME! IT'S NOT SOME JOB FAIR FOR CORPORATIONS SO THEY CAN HIRE CHEAP LABOR! IT'S OUR HOME!

The truth does not spawn many corporate contributions to political campaigns - but it is still the TRUTH!

14 posted on 11/20/2001 3:32:59 AM PST by bimbo
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts
I'm with you.
I think Buchanan is about as relevant as x42.
15 posted on 11/20/2001 3:34:49 AM PST by Utopia
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To: ouroboros
Pat's message, at times, rings with truth. Fortunately Pat as the messenger has long since been eclipsed by Pat the person. He has, by his own hand and mouth, moved his possible impact on the body politic to complete irrelevancy.
16 posted on 11/20/2001 3:43:21 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: ouroboros
Not only offensive, but wrong on every dimension. For one thing, Israel is a democracy. That means if "land for peace" deals with Arafat were a credible concept, the Israeli people could elect a government to conduct them. Its not a question of Barak dying and a new Pasha taking over. H got voted out of office after Arafat said NO to 98% of the occupied territories, half of Jerusalem, additional land to make up for the 2% he lacked. Plus handover of the settlements, MILITARY ASSISTANCE for God's sake, untold billions of US foreign aid from Clinton. Arafat says NO to this. Why? Because he would have been murdered by Hamas. What the Israeli doves learned last year, was that Arafat cannot deliver the "peace" part of this deal. The offer is still there of course. Sharon says he'll start talks as soon as 7 days go by without a terrorist attack on Israelis. So far there has been no hiatus.

I also think that there is more behind the US commitment to Israel than campaign donations from Jewish Americans. For one thing, we would be much further behind on this war on terror than we are without Israeli intelligence. It is nice to have one reliable stable democracy in the MidEast. The Saudis won't be around much longer. Egypt has returned to a barely managed autocracy with a basket case economy. Turkey lurches from crisis to crisis. Kuwait? Oman? Jordan? OK, Pat go have fun with your friends.

17 posted on 11/20/2001 3:49:33 AM PST by babble-on
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To: bimbo
Benson was a Mormon born in 1899. In 1952 President Dwight David Eisenhower appointed Benson to the cabinet post of Secretary of Agriculture. Partly because of his vigorous espousal of free enterprise, he was never the most popular person in the cabinet. Still he was known for being fair, just, and a man of principle.

He was featured on the covers of Time magazine and The Saturday Evening Post, he and his family were guests on Edward R. Murrow's television show, "Person to Person." Believing that "no real American wants to be subsidized," he urged flexible price supports for agricultural products and called on America's farmers to stand on their own feet. Surprising critics, he survived a full eight years in the cabinet before retiring once more to home and church duties.

Passionately opposed to communism, Benson denounced all forms of tyranny and compulsion. He spoke out frequently advocating conservative positions and themes, and was mentioned as a possible presidential or vice presidential candidate. On one occasion he outlined his own political creed in the following words: "I am for freedom and against slavery. I am for social progress and against socialism. I am for a dynamic economy and against waste. I am for the private competitive market and against unnecessary governmental intervention. I am for national security and against appeasement and capitulation to an obvious enemy."

In 1973 Benson was set apart as president of the Council of the Twelve Apostles. He worked to streamline church politics.

18 posted on 11/20/2001 3:53:23 AM PST by Patria One
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To: ouroboros
I'm shocked to see Pat B. come down on the side of an issue that runs against Israel. One more time and he'll have done so 1,000 times in a row. Combined with his quotes regarding Jews and Nazis he sure is a consistent sort.

And yet when he's accused of being anti-Jew and anti-Israel he's defended by some who say "Show me the proof". Even odder is the fact that those demanding the proof usually land on the very same sides of the very same issues.

In a time when the avowed enemies of Israel are the avowed enemies of the United States (you may recall the WTC incident) there are still some that support our enemies. Most ironically of all, they call themselves patriots and accuse the rest of us of being un-patriotic.

19 posted on 11/20/2001 3:53:54 AM PST by sakic
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To: brat
I saw that, did my heart good to hear it! But wasn't it Sunday night?
20 posted on 11/20/2001 4:10:08 AM PST by SusanUSA
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To: ouroboros
Was up early this am and caught BBC's world news.
Malaysia, Denmark, even Panama...tightening borders, deporting illegal immigrants by the tens of thousands(Malaysia), winning political victories on platforms of tougher to non-existent immigration policies. And the one thought that kept whirling in my mind was, "When will WE smarten up?"

Why is it so difficult for people to see how so MUCH immigration and so many illegals are overwhelming our nation? What is so scary about bringing things back under control? " Grrrrrrrrr
Thanks for the ping.

21 posted on 11/20/2001 4:17:45 AM PST by SusanUSA
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To: truth_seeker
There IS that phrase again, Amen Corner. Israel is entitled to do as she wishes but we needn't go along with it. The confusion of American interest with Israeli interest is apparent, in Congress, in the Press and perhaps most of all, here at Free Republic. I do support Israel as it is far too late to abandon her, but we must not confuse Israel with South Dakota. She is not the 51st state. If she becomes so bold as to think she'll have her cake and eat it too (and who's to say she isn't already) then she must take some of the responsibility for her actions. Harry Truman helped create Israel by executive fiat, the US has propped her up these 50 years, and now appropriate US policy has to choose between 1 billion people or 15 million. If those 15 million were from South Dakota it would be easy to understand. But they are not. Fifty more miles ? With us at her side ? You've got to be kiddding.
23 posted on 11/20/2001 4:33:55 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: ouroboros
This piece shall earn a Biblical wrath from the lobby.
24 posted on 11/20/2001 4:36:38 AM PST by junta
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To: ouroboros
for the conditions of peace ... no longer exist

this is true. the conditions have not existed since 1 ad. biblical prophecy tells us that peace in the middle east is not going to happen.

25 posted on 11/20/2001 4:47:13 AM PST by mlocher
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To: Patria One
What some people don't seem to get is welfare is welfare, weather it goes to a farmer in SD, or someone living on the westside of Chicago. Where ever gov. sticks it's nose into peoples live things seem to get worse.
26 posted on 11/20/2001 4:48:43 AM PST by Valin
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To: truth_seeker
There is that phrase again "Amen corner." Pat would reward terrorists. He is right on immigration, wrong on this issue.

Congratulations on buying into the mass anti-Buchanan hysteria promoted by any who disagree with him. Your highlighting of this phrase without any sort of supporting context makes you guilty of exactly the same sort of slander liberals are famed for.

Since you seemed to have missed the context: What Buchanan is saying is that the US cannot guarantee peace in the mid-east, because we cannot force Israel into any action, and any threat to do so - a threat backed by the removal of the foreign aid - would be shouted down in Congress. Do you disagree with this analysis, or are you just supersensitive to offending anyone?

I say if Israel must, take another 50 miles as a wider perimeter, as a pre-emptive move for their own security.

Would you guarantee, and permanently post, US troops in the region to support this, thus also guaranteeing the involvement of US troops in evert Arab-Israeli skirmish down the road?

27 posted on 11/20/2001 4:54:20 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: Patria One
"When Israeli and U.S. policies clash, it is U.S. presidents who back down.

Actually during the 73 war Israeli tanks were wel no their way to damascus when Nixon told them NO (as that could have pushed things into wwIII) they turned around and went back to the golan.

28 posted on 11/20/2001 4:55:08 AM PST by Valin
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To: PRND21; ouroboros
"Has any former candidate fallen so far so fast?"

Guys, HERE'S one for you. Shows what needs to be done. Agrees with Buchanan. Peace and love, George.

30 posted on 11/20/2001 5:07:11 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: sakic
S, Excepting for the first two paragraphs, how does THIS Article Differ from Pat's writing "against" Israel? Peace and love, George.
31 posted on 11/20/2001 5:15:49 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts; Utopia; 11th Earl of Mar; sakic; PRND21; truth_seeker
It would be helpful if you actually read and tried to comprehend the article. If you did not, or cannot, do either, please mention this in your hatchet jobs.
32 posted on 11/20/2001 5:21:36 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: Valin
How dare you introduce a FACT into a thread which is supposed to feed a generalized mistrust and blame on the Jews for all the world's problems. And how would you expect poor little Pat know about Nixon's actions in 1973 anyway?
33 posted on 11/20/2001 5:22:32 AM PST by babble-on
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To: babble-on; dennisw
About this whole "Palestinian State" thing:

After many months of pressure from the US government, Prime Minister Sharon finally agrees to meet with Arafat to discuss the creation of a Palestinian State.

They walk in the room at the same time, and, along with their respective staffs, take their seats on opposite sides of the long, negotiating table.

Arafat speaks first, eager to get started.

"Well, let's get going, time is wasting."

Sharon looks across, and speaks: "It is traditional for us, that before meetings of such importance we tell a story from our History, would that be OK?"

Smuggly, Arafat gives him the "go ahead."

Sharon begins:

"After wondering 40 years in the desert, Moses finally leads his people to the Promised land. He watches them put up their tents on a river side, readying themselves for the long process of settling the area."

"Moses looks at the clean, sparkling water in the river, and thinks that it is time to cleanse his body. He disrobes and enters the cool water, spending the next several minutes washing himself. He finishes and walks out of the water, looking for his clothes; to his utter dismay, he realizes that they are gone, taken from the rock where he left them."

"He looks around and sees nothing other than two Jewish children tending to a small flock of sheep nearby."

"He hides his nakedness behind a rock and shouts at them, asking if they had seen his clothes. The children shout back that they had seen some Palestinian kids take them a few moments earlier."

Arafat jumps up from his seat in anger, shouting at Sharon.

"It's always the same with you, always "blame the Palestinians", they are all lies, even your History is built on lies!"

Red and out of breath from the angry outburst, Arafat shouts at Sharon.

"Lies, all lies! There were no Palestinians back then!"

To which Sharon quietly replies: "OK, then...NOW we can begin the talks."

34 posted on 11/20/2001 5:23:40 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
/;-)

35 posted on 11/20/2001 5:33:25 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: ouroboros
He threw just about everything out there. Doesn't make much sense to me.
36 posted on 11/20/2001 5:37:06 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Nevertheless, today's Palestinians are indiginous to the region while most Israelis are immigrants.
37 posted on 11/20/2001 5:38:33 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Cacophonous
It would be helpful if you actually read and tried to comprehend the article.

Fair enough.

"Israel controls the Senate," said J. William Fulbright, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, in 1973.

First sentence, same stupid obsession. ¡Adiós!

38 posted on 11/20/2001 5:41:26 AM PST by dighton
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts
This is strange column. A bundle of contradictions and justifications as to why the United States should screw Israel and bring dishonor to this nation.

Screw Israel and cater to Islamic Arabs. Beautiful!

39 posted on 11/20/2001 5:41:28 AM PST by dennisw
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To: ouroboros
Immigrant Invasions? Pat got into trouble with his last book, A Republic Not An Empire, when he wrote something like, "if things continue, a majority of Americans will not claim Europe as their ancestral home..."

I don't know why Pat would bemoan racial and cultural diversity. Pat's attitude is especially ironic since he is descended from Irish immigrants.

40 posted on 11/20/2001 5:43:20 AM PST by Jeff Smith
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To: Willie Green
Nevertheless, today's Palestinians are indiginous to the region while most Israelis are immigrants.

Don't fool yourself. 43% of Israeli Jews are from the MidEast. That's what I call indigenous. They were kicked out of Arab nations after 1948. Where is the justice for these Jews who were booted and ethnically cleansed from Arab nations? They don't count? Of course Pat doesn't mention them either.

 

41 posted on 11/20/2001 5:45:14 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dighton
Thank you for getting through the first sentence.
42 posted on 11/20/2001 5:45:41 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: Cacophonous
How is this a hatchet job? I wrote:

"So let me get this straight...

More important, with this latest intifada marked by massacres of children at pizza parlors, Israelis no longer believe security can be found cheek-by-jowl with an Arafat-led Palestinian state. Who can blame them?

And then he rants about the Israeli lobby? So he RECOGNIZES that Arafat wants to destroy Israel, but he complains that the U.S. won't let him!! What nerve!"

I read the damn article. Buchanan HIMSELF realizes that the Israelis have a pretty good reason to distrust the Palestinians. And thus he concludes, despite that Israel realizes that it may in fact be suicidal to give the Palestinians a state, it should do so anyway, because... the Israeli lobby is powerful? Where are you Gen Eisenhower, to tell Israel to just shut up and enjoy more massacres, because that will somehow appease the nutso Islamic masses, despite them still fighting similar battles in the Kashmir, in the Phillipines, Chechnya, etc. etc.?

43 posted on 11/20/2001 5:49:07 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: dennisw
Willie was talking about all the Jews that migrated from Europe to make the trek with Moses.
44 posted on 11/20/2001 5:49:13 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Cacophonous
your post #32 is right on the money.

Where in the article does Pat offer an anti-jewish opinion or resolution to the problems Israel faces in the mideast? He merely offers a bit of wisdom and brilliantly expresses insight that we, as Americans, off handedly dismiss because it comes from the besieged Pat Buchanan. READ his article. Pat is right again. READ!

45 posted on 11/20/2001 5:49:45 AM PST by Nimitz
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To: dennisw
What? No comment on the joke?

:-)

Luis

46 posted on 11/20/2001 5:50:22 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts
So you would post US troops in the region to guarantee Israel's safety?
47 posted on 11/20/2001 5:52:48 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: ouroboros
...Palestinians have lost 700 dead in this uprising – including women and children – and thousands wounded...

Maybe the cowards should quit sending them out on the front lines.

Pat, Pat, Pat...unbelievable.

48 posted on 11/20/2001 5:53:35 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts
"Prediction: Bush and Powell will start up the road to a brokered peace and find they are on a political Highway of Death. Karl Rove will walk into the Oval Office and say, "Mr. President, it is not worth it, it is not working – we are down to 60 percent in the polls. Let's go back to benign neglect."

Looks like Pat is putting up his resume for Dionne Warwick's old gig at the "Pyschic Friends Network"

49 posted on 11/20/2001 5:53:41 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Cacophonous
Thank you for getting through the first sentence.

You're welcome. That fulfills my Buchanan quota through the end of next year.

50 posted on 11/20/2001 5:55:50 AM PST by dighton
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