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To: Illbay
From MY experience, you always seem to show up on posts about the South, all geared and primed to bash my Southern heritage. Yet on your profile, you proudly (presumably) display the Texas flag and state that you're from Katy, TX. You may have a point about the Breaking News thing, but I still have a point that you, sir, are apparently a carpetbagger.

Regarding the post, it may not be Breaking News, but it sure is good to hear about Southerners winning one for a change. Let the criminal who vandalized those guys' property have fun in jail for a while.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

16 posted on 11/22/2001 2:53:26 AM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
You may have a point about the Breaking News thing, but I still have a point that you, sir, are apparently a carpetbagger.

You're entitled to your opinion, as well as your deluded belief that your "heritage" means celebrating criminals who rebelled against the United States.

...it sure is good to hear about Southerners winningwhining about one for a changeas usual.

God bless the United States of America and protect her from all enemies, foreign OR DOMESTIC.

19 posted on 11/22/2001 5:02:11 PM PST by Illbay
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To: wku man
From MY experience, you always seem to show up on posts about the South, all geared and primed to bash my Southern heritage.

Here is your heritage:

"We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have> been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States... They have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and> to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and> those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

(from South Carolina Decl. of Secession)

"...[the Northern States] have united in the election of a man to highoffice of the President of the United States, whose opinions and purpose are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of thecommon Government, because he has declared that the `Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,' and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction."

--Texas Declaration of Secession

And here is what Texans thought of the Republican party:
"They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, [not true, of course] and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."

--Texas Declaration of Secession.

"As soon, however, as the Northern States that prohibited African slavery within their limits had reached a number sufficient to give theirrepresentation a controlling voice in the Congress, a persistent and organized system of hostile measures against the rights of the owners of slaves in the Southern States was inaugurated and gradually extended. A continuous series ofmeasures was devised and prosecuted for the purpose of rendering insecure thetenure of property in slaves. . . . the productions in the South of cotton' rice' sugar' and tobacco' forthe full development and continuance of which the labor of African slaves was and is indispensable.'"Our cause is thoroughly identified with the institution of African slavery."

Mississippi Declaration of Secession

Soon to be CSA congressman Lawrence Keitt, speaking in the South Carolina secession convention, said, "Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it."

From the Confederate Constitution:

Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire new territory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected byCongress and the territorial government."

From the Georgia Constitution of 1861:
"The General Assembly shall have no power to pass laws for the emancipation of slaves." (This is the entire text ofArticle 2, Sec. VII, Paragraph 3.)<> From the Alabama Constitution of 1861: "No slave in this State shall be emancipated by any act done to take effect in this State, or any other country." (This is the entire text of Article IV, Section 1 (on slavery).)

Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederacy, referring to theConfederate government: "Its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery . .. is his natural and normal condition." [Augusta, Georgia, Daily Constitutionalist, March 30, 1861

A North Carolina newspaper editorial: "it is abolition doctrine . . . the verydoctrine which the war was commenced to put down." [North Carolina Standard,Jan. 17, 1865; cited in Battle Cry of Freedom, p. 835.]

Robert M.T. Hunter, Senator from Virginia, "What did we go to war for, if not to protect our property?"

Alfred P. Aldrich, South Carolina legislator from Barnwell: "If the Republican party with its platform of principles, the main feature of which is the abolition of slavery [not true of course] and, therefore, the destruction of the South, carries the country at the next Presidential election, shall we remain in the Union, orform a separate Confederacy? This is the great, grave issue. It is not who shall be President, it is not which party shall rule -- it is a question ofp olitical and social existence."

[Steven Channing, Crisis of Fear, pp.141-142.]

Senator Hunter of VA. Duringthe Negro Soldier Bill debate on March 7, 1865, the SOUTHERN HISTORICAL SOCIETY PAPERS notes him as stating his opinion of the Bill as follows:
"When we had left the old Government he had thought we had gotten rid forever of the slavery agitation....But to his surprise he finds that this Government assumes the power to arm the slaves, which involves also the power of enamcipation....It was regarded as a confession of despair and an abandonment of the ground upon which we had seceded from the old Union. We had insisted that Congress had no right to interfere with slavery, and upon the coming into power of the party who it was known would assume and exercise that power, we seceded....and we vindicated ourselves against the accusations of the abolitionists by asserting that slavery was the best and happiest condition of the negro.

Now what does this proposition admit? The right of the central Government to put slaves into the militia, and to emancipate at least so many as shall be placed in the military service. It is a clear claim of the central Government to emancipate the slaves."

"If we are right in passing this measure we were wrong in denying to the old government the right to interfere with the institution of slavery and to emancipate the slaves."

"He now believed....that arming and emancipating the slaves was anabandonment of this contest - an abandonment of the grounds upon which it had been undertaken."

That is the southern heritage you are so proud of.

Oddly, President Lincoln never claimed that the federal government had the power to sieze the slaves of owners loyal to the government-but Jefferson Davis did

Walt

21 posted on 11/23/2001 5:16:34 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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