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Perhaps fellow Freepers could provide some enlightenment?
1 posted on 11/25/2001 9:03:32 AM PST by The Duke
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"Trust but Verify" !!! "Trust but Verify" !!! "Trust but Verify" !!! "Trust but Verify" !!! etc., etc., etc. !!!
2 posted on 11/25/2001 9:08:40 AM PST by GeekDejure
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If they were still a superpower, they might be able to afford the maintenence on those subs.
3 posted on 11/25/2001 9:09:49 AM PST by eno_
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Many of their toys are falling apart from lack of maintenance.
4 posted on 11/25/2001 9:12:45 AM PST by KirklandJunction
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How can a "non-superpower" have had a sub like the Kursk?
7 posted on 11/25/2001 9:17:30 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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Russian has some of the finest scientific minds on the planet. If these minds can be turned to something constructive there is no end to where it can lead. Space travel, missile defense, modern medicine, technology. It is just plain stupid to think that the economic situation has suddenly dulled the fine minds that are Russian.

It's one of the reasons I'm so glad that our president has developed a relationship with Putin. All that mental ability should be turned to something constructive.

8 posted on 11/25/2001 9:18:06 AM PST by McGavin999
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I never understood why a country with 10,000 nuclear warheads no longer fits the definition of a "superpower".
9 posted on 11/25/2001 9:18:11 AM PST by putupon
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There's no question that the Russians have enough nuclear warheads to destroy the world several times over, as do we. The thing is, those arsenals are not useful in any ordinary circumstances.

Russia still has a large army, navy, and air force as well. But I believe the Gulf War proved that their conventional armor and other equipment is significantly inferior to ours. So the prospect that they could come through the Fulda Gap and overwhelm Europe with conventional weapons and huge numbers is much less than it used to be.

I certainly believe in the principle of trust but verify, or rather, never trust to the point of giving your whole security into anyone's hands but your own. Things have changed in the world, however, and hopefully may change further. It seems to me that we have potential enemies out there much more dangerous and unfriendly to us than the Russians: namely, Islam and China. We should not turn our backs on the Russians or anyone else, but we should try to work with them because, despite the horrible history of Communism, Russia can be and hopefully will be one of our allies in the future. They have a long pre-revolutionary history of staving off the Mongol and Muslim threats. They are all the more important as Europe sinks further and further into decadence and no longer can be relied on--if they ever could.

10 posted on 11/25/2001 9:19:22 AM PST by Cicero
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I'm more concerned about Chinese than the Russians. The Chinese seem to be buying everything the Russians is willing to sell. The Chinese feel they have unjustly been denied their right as a world power. Even the word for China "Zhong Gua" translates to "Middle Country".

The Russians are no longer trying to expand their boarders by military conquest. China has claimed ownership of the South China Sea, Sparley Islands, and Taiwan. China continously acts like a jerk whenever someone "hurts their feelings".

The biggest concern about China is that they view the United States as their biggest enemy at the same time that China is becoming an economic power.

12 posted on 11/25/2001 9:23:19 AM PST by Tai_Chung
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I suppose it's a matter of perspective.

If you are a country like Somalia, Saudia Arabia, Brazil, Germany or even Great Britain Russia is indeed a superpower simply because of the military hardware they have at their disposal. What the Russkies could do to any of those nations in a day, week or month is more than any of them are properly prepared to deal with. In this same perspective, Israel is a Middle East "Super Power", but whether they would be able to make war against us is another thing.

I suppose when we, in the west, talk about "Super Power" we mean the ability to sustain military dominance over an extended period of time. This implies that a nation's economy will not collapse because of said dominance.

14 posted on 11/25/2001 9:26:20 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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The Russians are "broke". Yet they had sufficient funds to:

(1) Develop and deploy a completely new generation of ICBM
(2) Continue--without letup--their massive Chemical, Biological and Nuclear weapons program
(3) Continue to construct a gigantic subterranean city--the size of Washington, D.C., under the Ural mountains.

And we are sending taxpayer funds to them on any number of pretenses. The money NASA sends does a quick U-turn and winds up in Swiss bank accounts...

--Boris

17 posted on 11/25/2001 9:41:26 AM PST by boris
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How can a "non-superpower" have a sub like the Kursk?

How can a third-worlder like Iran have any sub?  By screwing their people, of course.

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20 posted on 11/25/2001 9:49:36 AM PST by JCG
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WEll...humm ....First you jave to understand the Soviet's paranoia. Then you have to understand what one of my very good Russian friends says - "We pretend to work - They pretend to pay us."

The programs that were developed were based upon good science and many stolen US technologies. However, the subs mostly were and are major POS's I would get on a Soviet era boat while it was tied to the pier. They added new meaning to the term "pigboat" especially the older ones. You can buy an old Soviet diesel boat for about $500k US on the internet.

BTW the russian economy is reported to be about the size of Connecticut's currently - not so hot.

23 posted on 11/25/2001 9:54:50 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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You heard it here that the ruskies have a cruise missile that we cannot defend against. Their new planes are also far superior to ours. All they have been doing for the last few years is junking the old stuff and replacing it with new. Paid for by the US either through loans or via money spent on Chinese goods and recycled by arms sales. The Russians have been able to do this because they know we have no intent to bother them.
24 posted on 11/25/2001 10:06:44 AM PST by willyone
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I also find it interesting how any pundit who discusses the "once-superpower" status of Russia. ........ Perhaps fellow Freepers could provide some enlightenment?

Any nation with the nuclear arsenal and nuclear delivery capabilities of Russia is still a "superpower" until such time as that nuclear arsenal and delivery capability rusts away and is no longer operational.

To call Russia a "once-superpower" until the latter occurs is dangerous self-delusion.

That is my contribution to enlightening the situation.

25 posted on 11/25/2001 10:16:31 AM PST by Polybius
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They do have nuclear weapons. That qualifies them as a power.

They are also broke. As in can't pay the rent.

They have oil. We need oil.

Bush just made a deal with Putin. Celebrate!

30 posted on 11/25/2001 2:04:33 PM PST by LibKill
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The Russians copy almost everything they build. If you look at the systems they build you can find our technology all through it. They do add some of their own ideas but it is usually because they can not copy everything such as shooting submarine missles from the water surface. They spent years trying to build aircraft to fly off a carrier. They had to build a jump ramp because the other systems failed.
32 posted on 11/25/2001 2:09:01 PM PST by bmwcyle
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