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Naughty children to be registered as potential criminals
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 25 November, 2001 | David Bamber

Posted on 11/25/2001 1:24:43 PM PST by Servant of the Nine

THE police are to set up a secret database of children as young as three who they fear might grow up to become criminals.

Youngsters who behave badly or commit trivial misdemeanours will be put on the confidential register so that they can be monitored and supervised throughout childhood.

The controversial initiative is to be pioneered in 11 London boroughs from March and then expanded nationally. Any child who is thought to be at risk of committing a crime by the police, schools or social services, will be put on the database.

Children involved in cheekiness, minor vandalism and causing nuisances, will be targeted under the scheme.

Their progress will then be monitored at school and on the streets by special squads of police officers and social workers, even though the children have not committed a crime and will not have been warned that they are being watched.

Ian Blair, the deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said that the register was needed because of a rise in youngsters turning to violent crime.

The plan grew out of the Damilola Taylor murder investigation on a grim council estate in south London last year. There detectives came across dozens of wild and unruly children who - outside the scope of the present law - were in danger of becoming criminals.

Mr Blair said: "We have identified 11 London boroughs where youth crime is growing most significantly.

"With partners in those boroughs, we intend to create an intelligence nexus which will hold sensitive information about large numbers of children, many of whom have not yet and probably will not drift into criminal activity."

He admitted: "This is pretty revolutionary stuff. There will be lots of worries but as long as it is understood that the purpose of holding this information is to ensure that we should collectively intervene to prevent children from becoming criminal I think that it will be accepted."

He said that schools and social services already had information about young children in danger of becoming criminals but at the moment they did not share this with the police.

He said that the scheme had been inspired by the murder of Damilola, 10, in Southwark. Several youngsters have now been charged with his murder.

Mr Blair said: "With no specific or necessary connection to the individuals charged, the inquiry team found that in some parts of Southwark there was a feeding chain leading to rampant criminality, a mixture of abuse, victimisation and criminality.

"Children who had, Fagin-like, been coerced and taught to steal, children who rose to prominence within their peer group by dint of theft and violence.

"It is not an exaggeration to note that, for some of these children, street gangs provided a safer and more caring environment than their homes or classrooms."

Mr Blair, who has unveiled his plans to the Government's Youth Justice Board, said the inquiry team found evidence of children who had been abused at home and who were subject to bullying and muggings at school and close to home.

He said it had always been thought improper to share information but it was now essential because this could sometimes prevent crimes being committed against children.

He added: "We are aware of examples from within London where caring professionals have been told in confidence by children that they have been victims of quite serious crimes."

The proposal is being examined by Elizabeth France, the Information Commissioner, but the police are confident that it will not breach existing laws. Last night, Liberty, the organisation that campaigns for civil liberties, expressed concern about the plan.

Roger Bingham, the Liberty spokesman, said: "We have a number of concerns about the proposals. For a start, what kind of behaviour will result in being put on this register?

"Who will have access to it, and who will decide whether children go on it or come off it? The aims of the idea might be to reduce crime but there are serious libertarian worries."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biometrics
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This is what happens when you elect Liberals

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1 posted on 11/25/2001 1:24:43 PM PST by Servant of the Nine
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To: MadIvan
A watch-out-here-comes-Big-Brother PING!
2 posted on 11/25/2001 1:30:18 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: Servant of the Nine
It's also what happens when you have massive family breakdown.
3 posted on 11/25/2001 1:30:19 PM PST by independentmind
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To: Servant of the Nine
The need to experiment with this program in some area in which the worst possible liberal program could not conceivably make matters worse than they are. New York and New Jersey offer potential sites for the experiment. In the Washington D.C region, you could take Kentland, i.e. the area about halfway between the beltway and the place where 295, 50, and the BW Parkway come togetgher on route 50 in Md. I'd be curious to hear whether any of those kids would avoid both the "future criminal" tag and the "too stupid to become a criminal" tag.
4 posted on 11/25/2001 1:33:46 PM PST by medved
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To: Servant of the Nine
He said it had always been thought improper to share information but it was now essential because this could sometimes prevent crimes being committed against children.

The Almighty Police State - It's ok because were doing it for the children.

5 posted on 11/25/2001 1:37:41 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: Servant of the Nine
Tom Sawyer is in serious trouble!
6 posted on 11/25/2001 1:37:43 PM PST by Restorer
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To: All
OMG this is TERRIFYING - How much more of this raping are the British going to TAKE???? HOMESCHOOL!!!! BTW can they homeschool over there or is that illegal (wouldn't surprise me)
7 posted on 11/25/2001 1:38:38 PM PST by GussiedUp
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To: Servant of the Nine
Great, so now a kid is labeled a criminal element because of something he/she does at the age of 3.
8 posted on 11/25/2001 1:38:44 PM PST by Hillary 666
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They can home school over there and studies have been done showing that homeschoolers in England do better than kids in the schools, even if their parents aren't well educated themselves.
9 posted on 11/25/2001 1:42:40 PM PST by bettina0
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To: Restorer
" Tom Sawyer is in serious trouble!"

But Ted Bundy would be in the clear. He was an exemplary student.

10 posted on 11/25/2001 1:44:03 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Servant of the Nine
As soon as I saw the headline, I thought, "England."
11 posted on 11/25/2001 1:44:21 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Restorer
Tom Sawyer is in serious trouble!

No kidding. Some of the wildest kids I grew up with are now some of the most well adjusted adults.

12 posted on 11/25/2001 1:46:27 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Restorer
Tom Sawyer is in serious trouble!

He Sure Is!
Glad I'm not a kid these days.
13 posted on 11/25/2001 1:46:38 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Hillary 666
Nixon wanted to do this when he was President. He wanted five-year-olds to be reported if they had violent tendencies. It didn't go anywhere because people were horrified. People are less horrified today. Today, we have a computer data base called "Mosaic," used by school systems to check out students to see if they are potential criminals. Try to get your kid's name off a data base. It will follow him for the rest of his life. There is something to say for homeschooling, isn't there?
14 posted on 11/25/2001 1:46:45 PM PST by bettina0
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To: Servant of the Nine
I wonder if the ex-rapist-in-chief's Oxford records will be reviewed for this one. Somehow, I don't think so.
15 posted on 11/25/2001 1:46:48 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Servant of the Nine
Children involved in cheekiness, minor vandalism and causing nuisances, will be targeted under the scheme.

Cheekiness? Minor vandalism? Causing nuisances?
This is truly frightening.

16 posted on 11/25/2001 1:47:27 PM PST by EggsAckley
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Children involved in cheekiness...

I'm sorry, but when I hear this word, I can't help but think of Mike Myers portraying "Simon" the little British kid on Saturday Night Live.

17 posted on 11/25/2001 1:48:57 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Servant of the Nine
If they can be identified, why not go ahead and put them in prison now? (Sarcasm)
18 posted on 11/25/2001 1:50:06 PM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: Servant of the Nine
I guess that the "It'll stay on you permanent record..." threat is no longer just a threat?!?
19 posted on 11/25/2001 1:50:23 PM PST by spanky_mcfarland
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To: Servant of the Nine
Hmmmmm. Behavioral profiling?
20 posted on 11/25/2001 1:51:12 PM PST by rogers21774
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