Can we please cool it with 'Allah running out of virgins?'

self | 11/29/2001 | self

[Rebelbase]

Moose Stomp mpeg

[DeckTheHallsHolly]

Over kill?

[Marysecretary]

And who says they're women? Not that it makes any difference to most of them...heh, heh.

[Patria One]

In Islam the descriptions of Heaven and Hell throughout the Quran are allegorical.

And the Quran tells us so whenever such descriptions occur as independent statements, not within a general subject. See 2:24-26, 13:35, and 47:15. The word "Mathal" (allegory) is used in these verses. Linguistically, the word "Mathal" in these verses can be removed, and we still have perfect sentences. But it is there because the descriptions of Heaven and Hell are allegorical.

What Heaven and Hell are really like is far beyond our comprehension. Hence the need for allegory.

How can one describe, for example, the taste of chocolate to a person who never tasted chocolate? Allegory will have to be used. The person has to wait to actually taste chocolate in order to know what chocolate tastes like. Whatever allegory we use to describe the taste of chocolate can never approximate the real thing.

Heaven already exists, since Adam and Eve were placed in it during their days of innocence (2:35). We learn from Sura 55 that there are two "High Heavens" - one for the humans and one for the jinns - and two "Lower Heavens" - one for the humans and one for the jinns (see

Hell is not created yet. It will be created on the Day of Judgment (69:17 & 89:23).

The High Heaven vs. The Lower Heaven

There are profound differences between the High Heaven and the Lower Heaven. Allegorically, water in the High Heaven flows freely (55:50), while the water of the Lower Heaven needs to be pumped out (55:66).

Allegorically, the High Heaven has all kinds of fruit (55:52), while the Lower Heaven has a limited variety of fruits (55:68).

Allegorically, the pure spouses readily join their spouses in the High Heaven (55:56), while the dwellers of the Lower Heaven must go fetch their spouses (55:72).

Yet, even the Lower Heaven is an incredibly fantastic prize for those who are fortunate enough to escape Hell and end up in the Lower Heaven (3:185) - going to the Lower Heaven is a great triumph.

People who depart this life before reaching their 40th birthday, and did not sufficiently develop their souls, will go to the Lower Heaven (46:15, Appendices 11 & 32).

The High Heaven is reserved for those who believed, led a righteous life, and developed their souls sufficiently.

"Whoever succeeds in barely missing Hell, and is admitted into Heaven, has attained a great triumph." [3:185]

(Arguing about 72 virgins is silly, but that won't stop anyone.)

[PoorMuttly]

The moon's full 'a cheese, "they" tell me. We just need a long enough hose, or a really good string, and a bucket.

Got the bucket.

[PoorMuttly]

So, basically, High Heaven is a very lonely place, evidently.

[stands2reason]

You might want to try Paxil...or maybe Zoloft...

[Patria One]

allegorical

[AnalogReigns]

I heard a man interviewed allegedly who was the supplier of Osama's groceries. He's tipped off us as to where Osama and his men are supposed to be.

He expressed glee in that Osama and company had supposedly given him the first pick of their wives...in the event they are killed... The ones he didn't want, he could give to his friends.

Slightly different mentality, eh?

[PoorMuttly]

allegorical

Is that an allergy to Al Gore?....

I think I have that.

[PoorMuttly]

Oops...sorry. I just filled the bucket.

[Beep]

In all fairness, some newbies may still be diggin' the moose, and cheese, and virgins, thing. Well-timed and well-placed, they can still be humorous. So -- I suppose I am of the opinion that one should laugh when the funny bone is struck, and move on when the moose just hits the floor in a heap, and misses one's humerus entirely. "N'est-ce pas?"

If you're not hungry, don't partake of the cheese. Or the moose. Or anything else, for that matter. ;-o

[JoeSchem]

I wouldn't have bothered with this thread, except I noticed that the comments number was up to 72. Hee hee!

[Patria One]

Compare it to descriptions of heaven in the Bible. For example, "In my Father's house there are many mansions".

[mlocher]

i have yet to see an article where we are discussion the taliban that does not include a comment regarding the famous virgins. As in "boy, i hope allah does not run out of virgins"

i can change my ways. "boy i hope allay does not run out of sluts."

you did mean to open this can of worms, right?

[Stingray]

Virgins you say?!?!?

I thought they were sturgeons!!! (Thanks for clearing that up.)

[Stingray]

What good would even 1 virgin be to the kind of d*ckless weasel that would fly an airplane into a building and kill thousands of innocent people?

Seventy-two "sluts" for "nuts without 'nads" doesn't sound much like heaven to the guy who can't take advantage of the situation...

[Drumbo]

"...EVERY SINGLE THREAD dealing with the Tallies..."

Your bitch is not with Freepers - it's with Muslims!

They are the ones who originated the 72 virgins - they are the ones fighting for the 72 virgins - they are the ones expecting the 72 virgins - THEY, not we, are obscessed with the 72 virgins. If we can in any way make them look more foolish, more stupid, more evil, etc., we are just doing our part for the war effort! Know your enemy and use his weaknesses against him. If you don't like it and cannot even articulate why it bothers you so, perhaps you should skip the "Tallie" threads. The virgins aren't going away until the jihad is busted.

timydnuc said it best imho:

... the enemy must have a name, he must have a face ... It's easier to kill him!

[mlocher]

...doesn't sound like much of a heaven for the guy who can't take advantage of the situation...

one man's heaven is another man's hell

[Palladin]

Count your blessings. At least we don't have to put up with "Pull Al Gore's Finger" jokes or photos anymore.

Right, Teacup?