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More Ginger details may be coming
Yahoo News ^ | Nov. 29, 2001

Posted on 11/30/2001 1:15:41 PM PST by John Jorsett

More details on Ginger, the alleged scooter at the center of controversy and wild speculation for close to a year, may emerge next week amid a flurry of patent applications from its inventor.

Good Morning America" anchor Diane Sawyer said earlier this week that the show will reveal what Ginger--also known as IT--is next week on the show. Judging from Sawyer's comments, Ginger watchers expect the segment to air Monday. ABC, the network that hosts the show, is running a guess-the-identity-of-Ginger contest.

Meanwhile, Dean Kamen, the inventor of the device, has filed for at least four patents in the past three months with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. The patents revolve primarily around methods for making a "personal mobility vehicle" that could carry people up stairs or over other irregular surfaces.

Ginger is the brainchild of Kamen, who won the 2000 National Medal for Technology, and the New Hampshire-based company he founded called DEKA Research and Development.

DEKA declined to comment on the "Good Morning America" segment or the device.

Details about Ginger have been scarce ever since rumors about the device began grabbing public attention nearly a year ago.

A patent application filed with the World Intellectual Property Organization's (WIPO) international bureau on Dec. 14, 2000, has fueled speculation that Ginger is a motorized, scooter-like device. Other details revealed by Kamen have been that the device takes just 10 minutes to assemble, has a price tag of less than $2,000, and will debut in 2002.

In the latest twist, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office posted on Oct. 25 one of Kamen's patent applications for "personalized mobility vehicles" that would carry a person in a standing position, as well as cargo, over uneven surfaces.

Another patent application from Kamen posted the same day seeks protection over a "method for controlling the fuel-air ratio of a burner of an external combustion engine."

Yet another U.S. application posted Sept. 20 discusses a mobility device that can climb stairs. In the same month, another patent application from Kamen for safety devices for a personal vehicle was posted.

Whether the applications have anything to do with Ginger, however, is anyone's guess. The patent application activity also could be to more fully protect DEKA's full legal rights. And the WIPO and the U.S. applications overlap. A WIPO patent protects owners in most European countries, while a U.S. patent protects against infringement in the United States. Typically, inventors will also file similar applications in Asia, said Richard Belgard, a patent consultant.

Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs (news - web sites) and Amazon.com CEO Jeff Bezos have seen the device, with Jobs going so far as to say it could prompt builders to construct cities around it.

Kamen himself has been coy. In March, reporters crammed into a keynote speech he delivered at the Association for Computing Machinery's Beyond Cyberspace conference in San Jose, Calif. Kamen briefly mentioned Ginger but spent most of his time talking about the unintended consequences of rapid technological change. In a tip to showmanship, he rode onto the stage in his invention called the iBot Transporter, a six-wheeled robotic "mobility system" for people with disabilities.

"We have a promising project, but nothing of the earth-shattering nature that people are conjuring up," Kamen said at the conference.

Theories about the device abound. Some believe it will have more than two wheels, while others debate whether it will contain a Stirling engine, which is an almost-perpetual motion machine. DEKA reserved the URL mystirlingscooter.com in February 2001, while another Kamen-related company called Arcos registered the URL flywheels.com.

DEKA's research largely focuses on inventions for the medical field. The company designed the Home Choice, a relatively portable, peritoneal dialysis machine marketed by Baxter, as well as balloon stents for unblocking arteries that are marketed by Johnson & Johnson. Some believe that Ginger will be used in the medical field, but Kamen has said it won't necessarily be a medical device.

Chat rooms dedicated to the device are currently divided over what the "Good Morning America" segment may reveal. Some assert that official details about Ginger will emerge. Others speculate that a person who broke a nondisclosure agreement will appear on the show.

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1 posted on 11/30/2001 1:15:41 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: Djk
"...method for controlling the fuel-air ratio of a burner of an external combustion engine."

I know what an internal combustion engine is...but what is an external combustion engine?

3 posted on 11/30/2001 2:26:48 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Djk
Did anyone see the "IT" on Southpark? No thanks, I'll keep my 1982 Suburban.
4 posted on 11/30/2001 2:35:02 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
what is an external combustion engine?

Here's one.

5 posted on 11/30/2001 2:36:52 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: John Jorsett
More details on Ginger, the alleged scooter at the center of controversy and wild speculation for close to a year, may emerge next week amid a flurry of patent applications from its inventor.

This is News????

I've seen that episode a million times already. The Professor invents a scooter out of coconuts and bamboo which they hope to use in their escape from the island only to have Gilligan ruin their plans. (They christened the scooter after Ginger, but not before a nasty fight with Mrs. Howell and Mary Ann over who it gets named after. Ginger won out only because she bribed Judge Gilligan with a coconut custard cream pie, that scheming temptress.)


6 posted on 11/30/2001 2:51:56 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: John Jorsett
mary anne always did it for me

ginger looked like a 15$ whore

7 posted on 11/30/2001 3:20:48 PM PST by cybertoolzz
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To: John Jorsett
I suspect it may be hydrogen peroxide powered. There are small engines, originally developed for helicopters, that put out a lot of horsepower in a very small space, and with no moving parts. The problem with them was that the catalyst used to get the peroxide to break down only lasted for about five hours of engine usage. If this guy has solved that problem, he could build a scooter the size and weight of a suitcase. It would have a fabulous power-to-weight ratio, and should get reasonably efficient mileage because it burns no fuel when coasting.
8 posted on 11/30/2001 4:52:57 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: John Jorsett
I read a good article about this Dean Kamen, I believe it was in Wired magazine. Anyhow, this guy is a genius with a lot of practical inventions to his credit, most notably a stair-climbing wheelchair (which promises to make handicapped-accessible ramps a thing of the past). He is also a good friend of President Bush and has had him over his house in New Hampshire (before he became president).
9 posted on 11/30/2001 5:01:17 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Joe Bonforte
Excellent call on the peroxide. I'm no expert, but you could make a Sterling engine that way, I think.Makes your teeth white, too. Just the thing for that important date. What are the combustion products?
10 posted on 11/30/2001 5:05:30 PM PST by eno_
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To: eno_
"What are the combustion products?"

That's the beauty of it. Water and oxygen. The biggest drawback I see is that the thing would have to put out a hot gas stream which provides the propulsion.

11 posted on 11/30/2001 5:07:58 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: Joe Bonforte
The biggest drawback I see is that the thing would have to put out a hot gas stream which provides the propulsion.

Talk about yer global warming!

12 posted on 11/30/2001 5:17:31 PM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: Joe Bonforte
Sterling engines are external combustion - a "heat engine." So no rocket exhaust needed. You CAN make rocket fuel out of kerosene and peroxide, but that would be for the personal rocket pack ;-)
13 posted on 11/30/2001 5:17:56 PM PST by eno_
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To: John Jorsett
"others debate whether it will contain a Stirling engine, which is an almost-perpetual motion machine. "

Is it a job requirement that those people who write articles for newspapers have to be drooling idiots? A Stirling engine is a simple, external combustion engine. It has a nifty way of transferring power from pistons to a crankshaft using a tilted plate that the pistons are mounted to. It is in no way whatsoever any kind of "almost perpetual motion machine". Sheesh.

I've seen people like these reporters working at fast food restaurants. They're the "special people" they have cleaning the tables very, very slowly.

14 posted on 11/30/2001 5:24:05 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: John Jorsett; *IT_list
Indexing.

IT_list

15 posted on 12/01/2001 4:47:36 AM PST by B Knotts
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