Posted on 12/03/2001 1:48:46 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
That's why China is different from the US. You don't expect illeterate peasants understand democracy, do you?
>>If you have a white face, they don't care...you are bad or some 'invader'. They don't want to think, or reason, or find out why, they just want to act out or cause trouble.
Not always. The American Observation Team in Yanan during WWII had made good friends with Mao and other communists.
>>And if you don't believe that they are 100% right all the time too then you are 'anti-China'.
It might result from the past history that China was humiliated by the foreign powers, like Whites cheated native American Indians.
The people who wrote that one and the documents surrounding it, demonstrated that they had a firm grip on what China was thinking, but the Chinese would not let them get a word in edgewise.
You are not giving credit where credit is due. Western people DO and CAN understand China. I think the British and Americans both had a much better understanding of China than you give credit for.
Personally I think Jiang at least took steps in the right direction in trying to get 'capitalists' in the party.
If he is being criticised by the left and right... it is because you can't please everyone. One side wants a lot of reform, and the other wants a little, and Jiang tried to split the difference.
Most are educated in viewing America the way they CCP says they should view America. Such is also an 'education'.
I will bet money that 9 out of 10 Chinese students who have ever graduated any university in America can tell why the Americans revolted against the British.
99% don't even know where America came from or what we believe in, yet you say they are 'educated'.
4 years in America studying physics or math is not going to answer the real problems.
Education is the problem here...
I know about Tianjin treaty, but I don't understand what you said here. Do you mean humiliating China is undersatnding China?
I doubt your figure. But I'm sure that 10 out of 10 Americans can't tell why Boxer's Rebellion happened.
Ah, the old fairy tale, that the west just set out to see if they could humilate a whole nation... That is exactly what I am talking about. That is pure CCP interpretation, which I reject.
As far as Indians go, you don't even know about Indians. Just how many tribes were there? Something like, 1200 or more??? All seperate. The Chinese paint a completely ignorant picture of what went on.
Did they fight? Yeah. Sometimes. Depends on the tribe though. In most cases though it was like 'come on over and have dinner'. Where do you think the Thanksgiving holiday came from????
A lot of the 'issue' with American Indians was that of cultural exchange, not some cheat or genocide. The Indians used to hunt with bows and arrows, then the white man brought guns.
They used to live on what they killed or grew, then the white man introduced trade and barter and currency.
Then came railroads, horses, methods of ranching... all had an effect on traditional ways of Indian living.
There is a whole list of things that as the Indians slowly adopted those things, their traditions slowly changed... It came from cultural exchange, not some violent overthrow. My great grandmother is 100% Indian.
"Humiliation" is a national revision. The CCP teaches revisionary history.
You never hear the real Chinese people on Taiwan complaining about being humilitated.
Get over it you whiner. It was your great grandpa. Everyone is sick of hearing you people complain with a chip on your shoulder.
WAAA!!! Cry!! CRY!!! WAA!!!
No one respects your claims of being humiliated. What do you want? Pity? Oh here... let me give you a hug....
The term of humiliation was not created by CCP, but by Sun Yet-Sen. He resorted to nationalism or even racism to overthrow Qing Dynasty, while he secrectly signed a treaty with Japan to sell Chinese interests to the Japanese in return for their support.
The Taiwanese stormed the US embassy in Taipei after an American GI killed a Taiwanese.
Getting mad for the next 150 years and reminding the world about that every 5 minutes is unacceptable though. It is also unacceptable to have people keep on trying to piss people off at the white people over the same old 150 year old stuff that China half way brought on itself anyway.
The Jews still remember the Nazi atrocity in WWII and I don't think they are going to forget it in the future.
>>THAT HAPPENED TO YOUR GREAT GRANDFATHERS. PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THAT.
Why should the Chinese forget their history?
>>What do you want? Pity?
Of course not. Just want to make sure it will not happen again.
Getting mad at the right time is a smart choice.
What the hell are you talking about? The foreign powers invaded China and China was to blame. I don't understand your logic.
Grand daddy Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, but I am not pissed off at his grandchildren though.
I am going to act like a Chinese...
"Those SOB ^%#$%$()^#% British@!!! I hate them all!!! That %#@$@ stamp act!!!! I hate them!!! They shot my great great great great great great granddad.
Big Ben Sucks! Stupid UK. Hate em all. Tea drinking punks! ..."
You know, all I am doing is 'not forgetting history' there...
The British came in bearing tons of gifts and wanted to make friends, yet the Chinese snubbed them. The Brits were offering fair trade that would be very profitable, but the Chinese saw them as inferior....
The British extended every olive branch they could to the Chinese. The war was fought out of frustration.
Maybe you have to learn more about Chinese history. China's trade with the west began 2,000 years ago and never fought a war for that until the British came. Chinese were good traders. The Silk Road was one of the examples.
>>The Brits were offering fair trade that would be very profitable, but the Chinese saw them as inferior....
The most profitable commodity the British were selling to China was opium and the whole nation was suffering from it. The dynasty banned the opium trade but allow the rest to go on.
>>The British extended every olive branch they could to the Chinese. The war was fought out of frustration.
Will you trade with drug dealers if they extend olive branches?
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