Collapse of communist rule seen in China

AT ^ | 12/03/01 | Tim Shorrock

[Voronin]

When all else fails, lets try the ol' nationalism rally...

BINGO! Though I think this was the plan that they have been using from the beginning. Chinese priorites are to get the economy running well in the WTO and some sort of 'controlled' political reform. The popularity of the Falung Gong reflects the disparity between economic and (non) political reform. The only reason that they have 'influence' is because they are the only 'group' floating in the vacuum of political reform.

The 4th generation of leaders will soon step into the breech. It will be interesting to see if they succeed and in my opinion they will. As far as I can see, I believe that the average 'Chinese' understand that economic prosperity is a fundamentalvery interest as huge political uphevals will threaten this and their existence down to the roots. The alternate is the India model - grinding poverty in a democracy.

I could, of course, be horribly wrong ;)

VRN

[Libertarianize the GOP]

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[BERZERKER]

"It's a kind of cosmic idea of politics that goes back centuries," Buruma said. Traditional Chinese rulers view themselves as 'people who mediate between heaven and Earth' and protect Chinese ethics, culture and politics from outside forces. That makes it easy for them to criticize 'dissidents as anti-Chinese.'"

I strongly believe this "change of heart" is all a ruse, concocted in the bowels of a society that puts a premium on the merger between Sun Tzu, Confucious, Tao Te Ching, and Communism.

Most valued in this type of culture is deceit of those who are not of your tribe. This is not an open society, either before it was Communist, or afterwards. The only way to deal with China, sadly, is to doubt and disbelieve everything they say, while always asking how they would benefit from your actions, and how you would lose.

[BERZERKER]

Furthermore, take a look at this description of the Tao Te Ching: "Written between the 6th and 3rd cent. BC, it was once called the Laozi after its traditional author Laozi, though its true authorship is still unresolved. The Tao-te ching presents a way of life intended to restore harmony and tranquillity to a kingdom racked by disorder. It promotes a course of nonaction, understood as restraint from any unnatural action rather than complete passivity, thereby allowing the tao to resolve things naturally. It was designed as a handbook for rulers, who should rule by inaction, imposing no restrictions or prohibitions on their subjects. The Tao-te ching has had a tremendous influence on all later schools of Chinese philosophy and religion and has been the subject of hundreds of commentaries.

Their whole structure stresses the complete absence of change, and the refusal to alter any of its infrastructure for anybody. Hence my opinion that this is all a lie, designed to get more foreign investment, which they will ultimately, and inevitably, engulf.

[ctdonath2]

There's far more men than women there. Lacking a proper and peaceful outlet for a man's natural aggressions, about the only other outlet available is combat.

[azhenfud]

Thank you for posting this.
In a previous thread, I said "communism in China is in its last quivers of death", but some ridiculed me for making that statement.

Personal observation of the Chinese is evident of the impending fate of the CCP, as it is known now. The Chinese are working on a slow developing, more democratic form of government which may take another ten years to realize - but it is coming. The more the Chinese are introduced to a free-market enterprise system, the quicker the change will affect the average citizen there and the sooner the governing body (whatever the people there decide to adopt, post CCP) will more closely represent the Chinese citizen...
Az

[azhenfud]

FYI The Chinese males are already seemingly taking action against this problem by kidnapping females from Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam.
This kidnap problem is growing exponentially yearly, according to some reports.
The Chinese are also beginning to restructure their family planning policies, evidenced according to revisions of their laws and enforcement policies in recent years...
Az

[IronJack]

"Equipment and technology from telecommunications firm Nortel is being used by the Chinese Government to monitor its citizens, according to report by a Canadian human rights group. The report - China's Golden Shield , published by Montreal-based Rights & Democracy - acknowledged that most of the world's largest technology companies actively market their wares to the central government and its public security bureaus.

Profit over principle. These high-tech thugs do the same in the West. Hey, as long as their quarterlies show a decent growth, who cares if they earn it by narking on their fellow citizens?

[B4Ranch]

It's only Freedom that they are taking away. No need to get upset with that. /sarcasm

[Lake]

>>In fact, from what I've seen the CCP state apparatus itself is going stronger than ever, and has gained a new lease on life as the guarantor of foreign investment and the provider of a pool of slave labor.

Right. I don't think the international capitalists like to see the CCP collapse and ruin their investments. They need the CCP to safeguard their interets.

[NewLand]

"Taiwan is the very Soul of China."

Says who? Based on what?