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Drug Legalization - Expensive and Deadly Lie
Washington Witness ^ | by Eric Lobsinger

Posted on 12/03/2001 11:53:17 PM PST by FF578

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To: eleni121
By your reasoning, society should permit the sexual abuse of children because it is your desire.

It never fails to amuze me utterly how some people here will throw in the most asinine non sequitur to try to associate something they disapprove of (drugs) with something that every sane person would disapprove of (child molestation). When someone has to resort to this kind of specious nexus, it's apparent that they have no credibility and no merit to their own argument.

Sexual exploitation of children is no different from exposing them to hashish/heroin fumes in the home.

Respectfully, sir/madam, there is no similarity whatsoever and you do a grave injustice to the victims of child sexual abuse to say there is. Beyond that ill twist of logic, I would presume that most people who may be doing drugs are doing it out of the view of their children, rather than grabbing them by the throat and blowing the smoke in their faces.

Enough with the Reefer Madness nonsense.

81 posted on 12/04/2001 6:58:21 AM PST by tdadams
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To: FreeTally
There are no "fumes" from heroine and hash is not even a widely used drug.

Nope, you're wrong. I've seen it smoked. And hash is a close variant of weed. And it would be more widely used if there were non limits on drug use.

See, there are TWO PEOPLE involved in your scenario. See where you have gone wrong?

Wrong again. When one uses drugs, others are affected unwillingly. But, you know, I wouldn't be against enclosed isolated places where the drug users could do it to their heart's content. JUST NOT AMONG UNWILLING MEMBERS OF SOCIETY!

82 posted on 12/04/2001 7:04:20 AM PST by eleni121
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To: Nate505
My analogy derives from YOUR principle of the individual's right to pursue his own pleasure and damn the consequences for which everyone else must pay!
83 posted on 12/04/2001 7:07:07 AM PST by eleni121
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To: FF578
Right on. Drugs are killers of society. You will never convince the Libertarians who are trying to move heaven and earth to get drugs legalized, but they are a relatively harmless group anyway, except to themselves.
84 posted on 12/04/2001 7:07:53 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: tdadams
Enough with the Reefer Madness nonsense

What!? Reefer Madness isn't the truth? How can that be? Wasn't it put out by the all-mighty, all-knowing gubmint? That means it must be true!

85 posted on 12/04/2001 7:08:20 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: eleni121
My analogy derives from YOUR principle of the individual's right to pursue his own pleasure and damn the consequences for which everyone else must pay!

First of all, that is not my principle. I believe the consequences for one's actions should be punished harshly. If the initial action has no consequences that go beyond the user, than the action's shouldn't be punished. However, to compare second hand smoke/fumes to the sexual explotiation of a child is so asinine that it boggles the mind. It's like comparing jaywalking to rape.

86 posted on 12/04/2001 7:12:25 AM PST by Nate505
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To: perez24
there's nothing the in the constitution which guarantees the right to use drugs.

The Constitution limits the power of government, and only deliniates certain rights which are "God Given." It is not the purpose of the document to list every right held by man.

87 posted on 12/04/2001 7:13:10 AM PST by Beenliedto
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To: eleni121
Wrong again.

I am wrong that it takes two people to constitute sexual abuse, but only one to ingest "drugs"? Ok. You are right.

When one uses drugs, others are affected unwillingly.

No one is unwillingly affected. You willingly put up with a spouse, child, family member or friend who abuses drugs. You let others abuse affect you. People have OPTIONS, and they are not always easy.

But, you know, I wouldn't be against enclosed isolated places where the drug users could do it to their heart's content. JUST NOT AMONG UNWILLING MEMBERS OF SOCIETY!

When are people forced to be around drug use? You have CHOICES!! If you are being held down and forced to inhale something, that is a crime. Your scenario sounds a whole lot like the way alcohol is treated. You know, it is illegal to be PUBLICALLY DRUNK!?!?

Secondly, regarding your argument, you are again dictating legality of the possession of an object based upon only your desires.

And again, you started by making a silly, illogical argument comparing "child abuse" and "voluntary drugs use". You are not getting any further with, "let me dictate where possession is legal".

88 posted on 12/04/2001 7:13:13 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: RLK
"As an individual with an IQ above room temperatue I wouldn't substitute the word "guns" for "drugs" because guns are not drugs. "

Thats not the point.

89 posted on 12/04/2001 7:15:06 AM PST by michaelje
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To: eleni121
When your human desires interfere and endanger my life or anyone's life then laws that prohibit, limit, curtail etc are the only tools society has to defend itself.

"SOCIETY" has a "right" to defend itself?

The VILLAGE will rule our life, eh Hillary?

So you apparently approve of taking my money and using it to control the peaceful, consensual actions of others all in the name of the state.

That makes you a thief, socialist and and marxist.

Your true colors are showing

By your reasoning, society should permit the sexual abuse of children because it is your desire. Sexual exploitation of children is no different from exposing them to hashish/heroin fumes in the home.

So sorry dear, that is your faulty reasoning trying to equate consensual activities of adults with child abuse...It is quite crazy the lengths some will go to defend thier pet projects.

90 posted on 12/04/2001 7:15:58 AM PST by fod
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To: alpowolf
When you see the arguments drug warriors use, how can you tell the difference?
Some things are obvious and others aren't.
Some things are subtle and others aren't.
Just "an experience" thing I guess.
Disinformation 101 and Propaganda 101.
91 posted on 12/04/2001 7:16:14 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"YOUR SURGEON will be hopped up on goofballs before your surgery, and YOUR PILOT will be wasted on "whacky tabacky", and the driver of your CHILDREN'S SCHOOLBUS will be stoned and driving! "

And whose to say all 3 arent "Hopped Up" on alcohol right now ?

92 posted on 12/04/2001 7:19:26 AM PST by michaelje
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To: Dane
"Look, I'm against abortion. Don't like them the procedure, never used them knew anbody who had one. Anybody that has an abortion IMHO is out in left field and needs serious help. That being said, I have slowly changed my mind over the past few months about legalizing drugs abortion. "

... the confessions of a Republican.
93 posted on 12/04/2001 7:20:07 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: perez24
Your argument doesn't hold up because there's nothing the in the constitution which guarantees the right to use drugs

After all this time I can't believe people still use that intelectually bankrupt argument. The Constitution does not enumerate all of your rights. It mainly deals with restricting the power of government.

94 posted on 12/04/2001 7:22:41 AM PST by AUgrad
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To: AUgrad
Your argument doesn't hold up because there's nothing the in the constitution which guarantees the right to use drugs

While I dont exactly agree with the libertarian mind set on drugs, I will say this reasoning is flawed. Does the constitution guarantee your right to flush a toilet, sneeze on a train, wear revealing clothing, etc ?

95 posted on 12/04/2001 7:26:50 AM PST by michaelje
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To: Mikey
"Once one unpacks all the issues hidden behind drugs."

The author doesn't even begin to 'unpack the hidden issues'. He is just picking at the scabs. Addiction and compulsive behaviors are symptoms of something wrong alright, but the problem is deeper and will not be solved by throwing some drug users in jail.
96 posted on 12/04/2001 7:27:29 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: eleni121
I wouldn't be against enclosed isolated places where the drug users could do it to their heart's content. JUST NOT AMONG UNWILLING MEMBERS OF SOCIETY!

you mean like the privacy of their own home ?

interesting idea

97 posted on 12/04/2001 7:30:28 AM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: perez24
Can you tell me the section that grants the federal gov the right to say people can't? I'm not being a smarty, just curious.
99 posted on 12/04/2001 7:37:00 AM PST by kari
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I dont believe that drugs should be legalized. But what concerns me is how the gubmint uses the WOD to violate our fundamental rights. Thats my problem with the WOD.
100 posted on 12/04/2001 7:38:59 AM PST by michaelje
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