I can't answer that question.
However execrable Patria's views, and false and misleading and unbalanced her commentary and links, at least she is on topic, sort of,
Oops...way off base on this one. What she does is attempt to hijack a topic and change it to her favorite one - bashing Israel. I have never found her to comment on the content of an article. Instead, she will waste all kinds of bandwidth posting an article of her own WITHIN ANOTHER THREAD rather than starting a separate thread where she and those who agree with her could bash the Jews to their hearts content.
and I don't think engages much in personal flames (not that I read everything she wrote which was quite voluminous).
She's toned down the personal flames act in favor of bashing Israel with lies and propaganda straight from Nazi-themed web sites.
As for Fred, well, whatever (unless you want to buy a condo somewhere, or are into casino gambling).
No comment.