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To: Lent
The State of Israel is a democratic state

Since millions of non-Jews who live its borders and under its occupation don’t have democratic freedoms, for America’s purposes it isn’t a democracy any more than the Soviet Union was a democracy because the Politbureau decided things by consensus.

I guess all the Western alliances are useless as well

The other allies have more to offer us than non-existent “intelligence” which you claim is the benefit of associating with Israel.

Your Islamic friends hopped aboard the Jihad train bound for the U.S. The Jihad kills around the world. Usually Christians but sometimes Jews as well. The international criminals are also Islamicists.

In Logic 1A, you will learn that “All jihadists are Islamic” doesn’t equate to “All Islamics are jihadists” however you define that.

The Open Door Policy was a policy debated in the latter part of the 19th century premised on the Open Door Notes

The “Open Door Notes” refer only to one country, China. America didn’t become a world power because it had free trade with China.

“Open-Door Policy” is a universally-accepted synonym for free immigration. You equivocate on the definition of “Open Door Policy.”

Open-Door [Immigration] Policy Here

Open-Door [Immigration] Policy Here

Markets can only be protected by force AS NECESSARY.

Markets “protected by force” are tyranny, not “free trade.”

Who cares about your notions of "right". I sure don't.

Those other 114 countries, along with their inhabitants.

I You don't know what your [sic] talking about

I never impugned alliances based on the reality of realpolitik…The U.S. should make alliances based on the realities on the ground

Realpolitik says to dump Israel. But that’s a little too harsh, so the next-best thing is to either make them conform to Western norms in every respect, or declare them a rogue state and take appropriate political, economic and ***other*** actions as necessary.

219 posted on 12/11/2001 4:07:02 PM PST by AGAviator
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To: AGAviator
Since millions of non-Jews who live its borders and under its occupation don’t have democratic freedoms, for America’s purposes it isn’t a democracy any more than the Soviet Union was a democracy because the Politbureau decided things by consensus.

All individuals who are citizens of Israel live in a democratic state.

The other allies have more to offer us than non-existent “intelligence” which you claim is the benefit of associating with Israel.

False.

In Logic 1A, you will learn that “All jihadists are Islamic” doesn’t equate to “All Islamics are jihadists” however you define that.

All Isalmicists are Jihadists. This is by definition. Not all Muslims are Jihadists but some are and many potentially are.

The “Open Door Notes” refer only to one country, China. America didn’t become a world power because it had free trade with China.

False. The immediate effect of the Open Door Policy as the implementation of the Open Door Notes concerned U.S. foreign policy with respect to the Philippines and Cuba.

“Open-Door Policy” is a universally-accepted synonym for free immigration. You equivocate on the definition of “Open Door Policy.”

It has a specific historical meaning in the context and as a corollary policy to the Open Door Notes. You are speaking ahistorically now. This was a foreign policy debate which occurred around 1898-1901 concerning the course of American foreign policy and pitting guys like William Jennings Bryan and Grover Cleveland (so-called "anti-imperialists") against the likes of Teddy Roosevelt and Henry Cabot Lodge. If you deal with this ahistorically you will have missed this seminal American foreign policy decision.

Markets “protected by force” are tyranny, not “free trade.”

Markets must be protected by force from time to time. That's why I said as of necessity.

Those other 114 countries, along with their inhabitants.

Circular discusion.

Realpolitik says to dump Israel. But that’s a little too harsh, so the next-best thing is to either make them conform to Western norms in every respect, or declare them a rogue state and take appropriate political, economic and ***other*** actions as necessary.

It's the other way around as this Administration is correctly asserting. The Pals and Arab Islamics must stop the violence, terrorism, Jihad and Intifada. Act civilized instead of like a bunch of medieval Jihadists. When the Arabs can conform themselves to social norms then there will be peace.
 

222 posted on 12/11/2001 4:25:28 PM PST by Lent
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