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Oracle's 'Unbreakable' boast attracting hackers
times of india ^ | TUESDAY, DECEMBER 11 | REUTERS )

Posted on 12/10/2001 3:46:48 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde

SAN FRANCISCO: Since Oracle Chief Executive Larry Ellison began boasting that his software was "unbreakable," hackers have taken that as a challenge to try to crack the company's code and the confidence behind its brash marketing effort, executives said this week.

In the seven weeks Oracle's "Unbreakable" ad campaign has been running, hacking attempts on the company's Web site have increased ten-fold, Ellison said during his Oracle OpenWorld keynote this week.

Normally we get roughly 3,000 attacks a week. Now we're getting 30,000 attacks a week," Mark Jarvis, senior vice president and chief marketing officer, said. "We are not inviting hackers to come and attack our site. They have decided to take it on of their own accord

So far the Oracle fortress is holding up, mostly because the attackers are trying to break in by exploiting potential holes in Windows NT and Oracle is running Oracle 9i Application Server on Unix, according to Jarvis.

People are sending attacks to Oracle.com to try to find the NT bugs, but sadly it's like a fly hitting a wind screen. The wind screen doesn't budge," Jarvis said

Microsoft (Corp.) doesn't even use NT on their own Web site. They use Unix," he added. "It's rather ironic

Microsoft executives were unavailable for comment, a spokeswoman said on Thursday and Friday

The "Unbreakable" marketing campaign, which shares its title with the 2000 movie starring Bruce Willis as a security guard with seemingly superhuman powers of survival, has been the company's most successful marketing effort ever, according to Jarvis.

The Redwood Shores, California company has spent $30 million on it and plans to spend another $70 million -- "every marketing dollar we have," he said, adding that it has resulted thousands of phone calls, e-mails and registrations on the Web site seeking more information.

Oracle executives had been trying since June to figure out a simple way to say their software is robust and reliable when Ellison thought of "Unbreakable" in early September, Jarvis said.

After the attacks of September 11, executives discussed briefly whether it was appropriate to go ahead with their marketing plan and decided they would, he said

In his keynote, Ellison said his engineers warned him that hackers might take up the challenge

And they said, 'Are you crazy? We're going to get creamed, ... everybody from the Soviet Union to Redmond, Washington, is going to be attacking our site,'" he recounted

People aren't supposed to be able to break into our site, by the way, guys. That's how we distinguish ourselves from the game manufacturers," Ellison quipped, in a reference to software rival Microsoft, which launched its next-generation game platform, the Xbox, last month.

There's no doubt the slogan accurately reflects Oracle's image.

It's a little brash, a little boastful, a bit challenging," said Jarvis, who could easily be describing Ellison himself. "It's so typically Oracle. It's just our style


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i'LL LEAVE THIS TO THE EXPERTS
1 posted on 12/10/2001 3:46:48 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: innocentbystander
PING
2 posted on 12/10/2001 3:47:20 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
"Microsoft (Corp.) doesn't even use NT on their own Web site. They use Unix," he added. "It's rather ironic"

Geek wars ... bar the door!
3 posted on 12/10/2001 3:54:02 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
SnORACLE's next release should be codenamed "Molasses". Slow in performance and sticky on your wallet.
4 posted on 12/10/2001 3:57:25 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
I love this...it's like old fashioned competition capitalism, Oasis vs. Blur, and it'll generate tons of sales. I love what Ellison said Um, they're NOT supposed to be able to break into our site guys!
5 posted on 12/10/2001 3:59:30 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: gjenkins
well the only way to see if their product works is for someone to hack it
7 posted on 12/10/2001 4:01:47 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: innocentbystander
hmmmmmmmm no.......what is a SSL?
8 posted on 12/10/2001 4:03:34 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
This is brilliant on the part of Oracle; it is basically getting free product testing, and the opporunity to view the the most advanced hacking out there. At the same time, it's getting free press, people visiting its site, and the chance to make significant improvements in its product.

Bump for Oracle.

9 posted on 12/10/2001 4:03:49 PM PST by Silly
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Ellison is five times more evil than Gates in my opinion. He does have a good product though, darnit.
10 posted on 12/10/2001 4:03:54 PM PST by SoDak
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To: innocentbystander
Kinda forgot about the FreeBSD usage over there at hotmail, huh? So, technically, the poster who you slandered by saying he is so "stupid", was accurate. hotmail.com is a Microsoft web site, and yes, it does use UNIX.
11 posted on 12/10/2001 4:05:01 PM PST by gcraig
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
secure socket layer = SSL. Bronze Age security on the web.

FWIW, real software companies employ ethical hackers to hammer their software. Larry's just doing it on the cheap.

12 posted on 12/10/2001 4:10:15 PM PST by Blueflag
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To: Silly
It would be nice for someone to develop a good security system
13 posted on 12/10/2001 4:10:43 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Silly
The best hacking out there is not visible to the intended victim. Oracle is being hit by amateurs.

Just like their marketing, it's all for show.

15 posted on 12/10/2001 4:11:38 PM PST by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag
Thank you for explaining that
16 posted on 12/10/2001 4:12:24 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Its a bold and gutsy move by Oracle, and in my opinion, using unix gives them a leg up. I have heard several stories about MS trying the same with a published challenge for hacking NT ... but failing (I don't want to be flamed, so I am admitting it is all heresay). I was just commenting on the fact that this will rev up the MS vs. Unix slug fest that always seems to happen.

I am not into this part of Software Engineering or Computer Science. I don't have the attitude to be a hacker/cracker, so I have to rely on those who are. I enjoy reading these threads, so thanks for eggin' them on!
17 posted on 12/10/2001 4:12:43 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
There are many good "security" systems out there in the software and systems world. All depends on what you are trying to seucre, and what you are trying to secure it from.

BTW, nothing is secure for long. Even the exotic frequency agile, cosmic-noise random number algorithm, deep spook encryptions are rotated because they will be compromised if the attacker is sophisticated enough.

The trick/skill comes in detection. Once they get in and YOU know it, what do yo do to them?

18 posted on 12/10/2001 4:15:42 PM PST by Blueflag
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To: gjenkins
If they were truly brave AND progressive, they'd run it on Linux.
19 posted on 12/10/2001 4:17:02 PM PST by Blueflag
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