BOMBAY TERRORIST WAS STILL PLANNING PLANE ATTACKS FOR NOVEMBER

Wall Street Journal via Rediff.com ^ | Monday December 10, 2001 | James Taranto

[y2k_citizen]

Mohammed now theres a good Indian name I wonder what religion he is?

I bet it's not Hindu.

[OwenKellogg]

Executive Order

[texasbluebell]

Is there any way to find out where Clinton was on the morning of 9/11/2000? Was he out of the White House?

I don't know for sure where he was, but I'll bet he was traveling overseas with Chelsea. She had taken off the semester from school, remember, and they wanted to get as many free trips as possible those last few months. I'm going to check on some of those websites that have their travel pictures. If I find anything with dates, I'll post it here.

[cardinal4]

Thats a good point.I would be interested in your findings.

[twigs]

Thank you. After I get finished with exams, I would like to investigate this. I appreciate your bringing it up.

[TruthNtegrity]

Clinton would have declared martial law and stopped the election.

For those of us who followed the Trannie threads last year, especially during the post-election Gore-produced debacle, any kind of incident that would allow Klintoon to invoke Martial Law was one of our biggest fears. I am not one given to easily believing "conspiracy stories" but there were so many of the Trannie 'mile-markers' that were successfully concluded, it became clear to me that we were hearing from a credible source. The only part of the Trannie thread that never came to pass was an incident that would allow Slick Willy to pull some kind of stunt that would keep him in power and in the WH - for some kind of bizarre reason of "national security" or some such other hokum that he would have invoked.

During the entire Florida recount idiocy, my prayers were constantly focusing on keeping our Country safe from any kind of threat, for some act of terrorism or agression that would have provided Clinton with an opportunistic event for keeping himself in office, or assuring Gore some kind of "continuity shoe-in". Since Clinton didn't much care for our Constitution or real democratic process, I didn't put it past him to try some kind of Executive Order; I didn't even discount the possibility that he would invent some kind of position for himself, in Gore's Cabinet thus assuring his puppet-control of Gore.

With all the stunts that Slick Willy pulled on Inauguration Day, it is not a far stretch to imagine that he would have liked some kind of opportunity to extend his stay in power and romping over our rule of law would have been the least of his concerns. It would have fallen to his "spin meisters" to simply explain the logic and the rightness of what he was doing. I, for one, truly believe that if he could have, he would have tried for almost anything to stay in the office, and stay in the White House. There were many others of us on the Trannie threads who believed the same thing, and waited and watched, hoping that the bulbous-nosed one wasn't provided just the platform he desired.

.......donning my flame-proof suit, I'll now go away quietly.

[cardinal4]

You wont get a flaming from me,that was a fear of mine,too.Jokes about tanks in the streets and a contingent of Special Forces gurding the White House,were more frightening than funny.I thank God for W,I believe in my heart,we would be in a bad way Gore won.And I believe wholeheartly that Clinton prayed for a crisis that would allow for the declaring of Martial Law or a suspension of the Bill of Rights or something.

[texasbluebell]

Well, I can't find anything so far about him being out of the country in Sept 2000. I did see that he gave a speech at the UN on 5 or 6 Sept 2000 so he was around at that point ("Clinton's remarks to Millennium Summit of the United Nations"). And there was something about "Clinton Message on Treaty with the Republic of Panama" on 12 Sept.

Then of course there was the bombing of the USS Cole in Oct 2000.

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - Honoring the 17 sailors killed ``standing guard for peace'' aboard the USS Cole, President Clinton warned their attackers Wednesday: ``You will not find a safe harbor. We will find you and justice will prevail.''

Another lie from him, of course. He did nothing about the Cole, though there was still a bit of time left for him to do so. And experts then were saying that bin Laden and Saddam had their hand in the Cole.

DAMAGE TO U.S.S. Cole

So nothing's showing up that I can find anyway on travel in Sept 2000, except for that trip to NY around 6 Sept.

[cardinal4]

I actually wish this guy would just go away,but sigh,I know he wont.Good Morning BTW.

[Alamo-Girl]

There were a lot of troubling indicators back then IMHO! Hugs!

[Mr. K]

"... has told his interrogators in the Bombay police..."

seems to be cooperating nicely with his 'interrogators'... maybe we should send our group to Bombay for some questioning?

[afraidfortherepublic]

I can't decide what to think about this having possibly happened on 9/9/2000, in the last two months of the presidential campaign (as well as campaigns for a zillion other important offices from national to local level).

I know what to think. I think clinton would have used it to every advantage and from the moment of strike the campaign themes would have changed to "Don't change horses in midstream." I think it would have pushed the election to Gore because Bush was portrayed as not having any experience in foreign policy.

Thank God that that did not happen.

[afraidfortherepublic]

The change was to take affect 10/1/00, if memory serves me correctly, but when was the EO drafted?

The EO was drafted 6-9 months earlier, as I remember. I know that when we learned about it, it seemed like a long time before it was to take effect.

[Nita Nupress]

Oh, now wouldn't this have been melodramatic. He was in NYC watching a tennis match. Just close enough to feel everyone's pain.

Agence France Presse
September 10, 2000, Sunday Sports

Sampras overcomes Australian wonder kid to reach US Open final

NEW YORK, Sept 9

Four-time US Open champion Pete Sampras upended ninth-seeded Australian wonder kid Lleyton Hewitt in straight sets here Saturday to reach the final of the 15-million-dollar United States Tennis Championships.

The 29-year-old fourth-seeded American beat Hewitt 7-6 (9/7), 6-4, 7-6 (7/5) in two hours and 36 minutes.

(snip)

With President Bill Clinton watching on from the Presidential box, both men began winning their serves with relative ease. At 5-4 with Hewitt serving, the 3rd-ranked Sampras suddenly elevated his game to earn two set points at 15-40.

[Nita Nupress]

See my last reply.

[thinden]

just dug up the fact that 9/09/00 was a saturday. US Open tennis??

(bubba would generally reserve his weekends for takin a few mulligans with the likes of webba the hubb, hugh rotten or vermin jordan.)

[Nita Nupress]

Brief summary of the articles below:

Bill and hi$ entourage were in Africa a$ late as $aturday, $eptember 2nd, and then he shows back up in NYC as early as Wednesday, September 6th.  

It looks like Bill met with Israeli Prime Minister Barak sometime Saturday the 9th, perhaps in the morning (I'm too lazy to do the time calculations).  I think he then headed out to the US Open SemiFinals in the afternoon. 

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Ah, what wonderful memories...

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
September 9, 2001 Sunday TWO STAR EDITION

LOCAL, Pg.A-2 ALMANAC

ON THIS DATE

One year ago (Saturday, Sept. 9, 2000)

* As wildfires burned out of control in nine states, President Bill Clinton said he would ask Congress to appropriate $1.6 billion for the removal of forest underbrush to reduce the risk of such fires.

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He was in Africa the week before September 9th.

Africa News
September 9, 2000

NEWS, DOCUMENTS & COMMENTARY

Nigeria; Why we insist on resource control

Uwakwe Abugu, Vanguard Daily (Lagos)

(snip)

Warri - The historic visit of the President of United States, Bill Clinton to Nigeria last Saturday has continued to draw comments from Nigerians who expectedly had started picking holes in the whole or part of the arrangements put on ground before the august visitor arrived the country.

(snip)

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The Toronto Star
September 9, 2000, Saturday, Edition 1

NEWS

ARAFAT LIKELY TO DELAY DECLARATION - FOR A WHILE ANALYSIS
 Sandro Contenta

(snip)

Barak and Arafat were at the U.N. Millennium Summit this week, but attempts by U.S. President Bill Clinton to close the gaps apparently failed.  (Maybe an attack was called off because Arafat was in town?)

(snip)

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Never mind.  Arafat met with Clinton on Wednesday.  Plenty of time for Arafat to get out of Dodge.

Deutsche Presse-Agentur
September 9, 2000, Saturday, BC Cycle 
International News

2ND ROUNDUP: Arafat adviser: Israel-Palestinian talks set next week

Gaza

An adviser to Palestinian authority President Yasser Arafat said Saturday that Israel and the Palestinians agreed to resume their peace talks on final status issued next week for what could be the "decisive" phase for the chances of peace.

Nabil Abu Rodeineh told reporters that it was agreed between Arafat and U.S. President Bill Clinton when they met at the United Nations last Wednesday that the talks were to be resumed with direct U.S. participation.

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Bloomberg News
September 9, 2000,
Saturday 3:53 PM Eastern Time

TOP STORIES: WORLDWIDE

The following are the day's top general news stories:

Clinton and Barak to Weigh Prospects for Peace Accord in the Middle East New York: 

President Bill Clinton and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met today to assess the prospects for peace in the Middle East, White House officials said.  The meeting at Barak's New York hotel came as Palestinian and Israeli officials made plans to resume peace talks next week. Clinton's Deputy Press Secretary Jake Siewert said the hour-long session "was not terribly substantive. It was informal in nature." Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said, "It was just kind of a friendly meeting."

(snip)

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Agence France Presse
September 10, 2000, Sunday

Domestic, non-Washington, general news item

AFP World News Summary for Sunday, Sept 10 (since 2100 GMT Saturday)

(snip)

Mideast-US

NEW YORK: After a meeting between US President Bill Clinton and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Israeli officials confirmed that intensive US-mediated talks between Israel and the Palestinians are planned for coming weeks.

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Deutsche Presse-Agentur
September 9, 2000, Saturday
19:09 Central European Time (What time is that Eastern?)

Sports

2ND ROUNDUP: Safin riddled with doubts during win over Martin
By Bill Scott, dpa

New York

(snip)

Safin, who turned a miserable season around starting in April when he finally took a coach and won back-to-back events on clay, will play the winner of a later semi between four-time holder Pete Sampras and Australian hope Lleyton Hewitt.

The National Tennis Centre bristled with snipers and hundreds of police as Bill Clinton arrvied for the Sampra match. He saw little tennis, spending most of his time signing autographs and tennis balls tossed to his VIP box by nearby fans. (This cute little sentence  was omitted in later editions. :-)

In the trophy match-up which wraps up the so-called "Super Saturday" programme, second seed Lindsay Davenport was facing Venus Williams. 

(snip)

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There was extra security that week in NYC.  This would possibly be a reason why an attack would be cancelled?

Bloomberg News
September 9, 2000, Saturday 6:14 PM Eastern Time

TOP STORIES: NEW YORK CITY

The following are the day's top stories from New York City:

(snip)

Giuliani Says U.S. Owes New York $25 Million for UN Security, Paper Says New York: The U.S. government owes New York City $25 million for the cost of security during this week's United Nations summit, the New York Post reported, citing Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The U.S. State Department "routinely refuses to reimburse the city" for the full cost of protecting diplomats, Guiliani said in a letter to President Bill Clinton, and worries that this year's bill may be the biggest so far. About 6,000 uniformed personnel and 750 detectives are assigned to the summit, though the State Department pays only for their overtime. The mayor also cited the cost of providing standby ambulances in accordance with Secret Service requests. The State Department declined to comment, the paper said.

(snip)

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I dunno. It just seems to me that he wouldn't have been man enough to even be in the country during an attack like that, much less the same city. But what do I know?

[thinden]

It looks like Bill met with Israeli Prime Minister Barak sometime Saturday the 9th, perhaps in the morning (I'm too lazy to do the time calculations). I think he then headed out to the US Open SemiFinals in the afternoon.

just needed a "prop" so he could call a social trip to NYC to chase skirt....official binez.

[Nita Nupress]

More names to add to the mix. I can't tell by reading this one whether the original plan was for 2000 or not. It says he was first told about the hijacking plan in Hong Kong in May, 2000, but then the story just kind of skips to 2001.

BTW, this particular Mohammed's full name is "Mohammed Afroz Abdul Razak" and is referred to as "Razak" in this article.

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

The Statesman (India)
December 9, 2001
AL-QAIDA SUSPECT HAS NEVER MET OSAMA


STATESMAN NEWS SERVICE MUMBAI, Dec. 8. Al-Qaida suspect Mohammed Afroz Abdul Razak has told Mumbai Police crime branch interrogators that he took instructions from Maulana Mansoor Ilyas of the Warribee Islamic Centre in Victoria (Australia) and had never come in direct contact with Osama bin Laden.

Investigators suspect that Maulana Ilyas has been recruiting youths without telling them that they would be working for the Al-Qaida. Razak was initially trained to trigger bomb blasts but was later asked by Maulana to undergo a pilots course. He was trained at Royal Victorian Aero Club. Razak told interrogators that Rs 1 crore was spent on his pilots course. He said two hijackers of Indian Airlines IC-814, Shahid Akhtar and Zahoor Ahmed Mistry, were known to him but by different names Sandy and Zia. They were receiving instructions from Maulana Ilyas.

Razak first came to know about the plan to hijack airliners and carry out suicide attacks in different parts of the world in May 2000 at a lodge called Pakistan Hotel in Hong Kong where he met Maulana Ilyas. Police said the passport entry confirmed this visit to Hong Kong. Razak said he and other four hijackers were told about their mission to hit the House of Commons at this meeting. He was sent to Cabair College of Air Training at the Cranfield Airport , Bedford, in England in July. Around Rs 30 lakh was spent on advanced training.

Fully equipped to fly large passenger airliners like Boeing 757 or 767, Razak was given the order to hijack planes on 9 September 2001. He was asked to hijack London-Manchester plane and crash into House of Commons. The ticket to board the flight at Heathrow Airport was issued to him on 10 September. When two planes crashed into the World Trade Centre towers in New York, Razak was at the London Airport. The mission failed as local aviation authorities cancelled all internal flights.

Two months of intensive interrogation initially baffled the police. As more and more details started pouring in, pieces fitted perfectly in the jigsaw puzzle.

[Sueann]

It was uppermost in my mind when Clinton appointed Reno to supersede everybody at FEMA. After what she did to Elian, I have no doubt she would have loosed the jack-booted thugs on us . . . NOT the terrorists.