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Karl Rove: Stayaway Christians Almost Cost Bush Election
Charisma News ^ | 12/13/01

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:50:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

STAYAWAY CHRISTIANS ALMOST COST ELECTION

Many Christians believe that prayer played a major role in sending George W. Bush to the White House, but stayaway believers came close to losing him the election, according to his chief political adviser, Karl Rove.

Rove said that one reason the 2000 election was so tight was that as many as 4 million Christian conservatives did not go to the polls, reported "The Chicago Tribune." Although the Bush campaign had expected 19 million evangelical voters to vote for their man, election returns revealed only 15 million turned out to cast ballots.

Speaking yesterday at an American Enterprise Institute seminar, Rove said the Bush campaign "probably failed to marshal support of the base as well as we should have," said the "Tribune." Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

Rove said that if the "process of withdrawal" went on it would be bad for the country as well as conservatives and Republicans. "It's something we have to spend a lot of time and energy on."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2000; christianvote; karlrove; napalminthemorning; rove; wot
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To: KC_Conspirator
I agree voting against someone is just as important as voting for someone.

However, I really don't blame these people for staying home. For years, the media and left has been screaming that everyone should be able to participate in the political process, EXCEPT for the religious right.

I am not sure Republicans have done enough to defend their constituency of christian conservatives.

I also think the word "compromise" is not in the christian conservative vocabulary and much like the hard left groups who won't compromise: PETA, ACTUP; etc, they have become increasingly irrelevant to the mainstream political debate.

161 posted on 12/13/2001 9:05:32 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: Poohbah; lormand
To get it through the Senate would have required 60 votes (in order to invoke cloture and kill the DemocRAT filibuster). Those votes were NOT there.

Exactly. I highly doubt even a simple majority would vote for it.

Lormand, you ask how it costs the President political capital. How long do you think the media would have harped on Bush's inability to get a bill through a GOP-controlled Congress? Right off the bat, the American electorate would have an image of some bumbling, politically inept fool living in the White House. I believe the President understood this, and understands that there is a proper time to address sensitive issues (that time was not in the first six months of office under the current Congress).

162 posted on 12/13/2001 9:07:18 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Is it just me or does anyone else wonder just how the devil they know this?
163 posted on 12/13/2001 9:07:34 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: afuturegovernor
President Bush got a bigger tax cut through than anyone thought imageable.

Can you tell us how Bush's first budget proposal compares in size to Clinton's final budget proposal?

Thanks.

164 posted on 12/13/2001 9:07:51 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: Bigg Red
Such a surprise, eh? DU must be down today.
165 posted on 12/13/2001 9:08:02 AM PST by Howlin
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To: one_particular_harbour
Hoo hoo. What have we here? Another snuggly warm lovefest?
166 posted on 12/13/2001 9:08:06 AM PST by riley1992
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To: ppaul
From his leadership position in the organization. He is devoting more time to his other work, which is a good idea. Overall, he did help get Bush elected in South Carolina, but when you can't motivate 4 million people, then you might have missed your chance.
167 posted on 12/13/2001 9:08:09 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: hchutch
why the States had to be told not to violate the provisions of Amendments 1 through 10.

Why? The federal government somehow forgot about the 10th and decided to walk all over the states

168 posted on 12/13/2001 9:08:22 AM PST by billbears
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To: Sci Fi Guy
Hey, I understand exactly what you are saying, but when was the last time a Republican Congressional candidate actually made abortion a major campaign issue?

You know something is up when you look at the "conversions" on this issue. There are lots of people who were formerly pro-abortion that are now strong pro-life advocates. Nobody changes their mind the other way except limp-wristed Republicans who decide that a pro-life stand is a political liability.

I met a guy a few years ago who is now a Republican Congressman. Married to a former National Right to Life spokeswoman and everything else. If this guy represents the future of the pro-life movement in Congress, then we are doomed.

169 posted on 12/13/2001 9:10:36 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: TRY ONE
The problem with the Republican Revolution wasn't that Newt "went too fast" -- unless by that you mean that he CAVED too fast. I knew it was all over when Clinton bested him in the so-called government shutdown.

And as for incrementalism -- that would be fine, except that we're still incrementing in the wrong direction. (All while we're adding more cabinet-level bureaucracies and growing the budget at a rate that Ted Kennedy use to have wet dreams about.)

Tell me again how the Republicans are the party of less government and conservatism. Wake up.

170 posted on 12/13/2001 9:10:51 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: mercy
I hope they keep you in a special out of the way section of Heaven when I get there cause I don't want to see your sorry ass in any way shape or form.

With a "mouth" like that, I don't think you're going to have to worry about anyone up There getting in your way.

Sort of like Bush. I don't know any Christians who hold strongly to their beliefs who run around calling people a-holes.

171 posted on 12/13/2001 9:12:29 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: Gordian Blade
Jesus forgave. The church don't forget.

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172 posted on 12/13/2001 9:12:52 AM PST by oyez
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To: NittanyLion
It would do us (on the right) well to remember that the only election in the last 10 years where our side gained ground was in 1994. 1994 was the result of one thing -- Democrats with extreme hubris (imagine that from a group led by Clinton!!) attempting to promote an extreme left agenda (tax increases followed hard by the "nail-in-the-coffin" overtly-socialized medicine). In the blush of their one victory (1992), the Rats were overwhelmed by their own sense of power-entitlement. And they governed to their convictions and away from the mushy middle.

And the Republicans crushed them. (Gingrich gets plenty of credit here, because found every open wound, and every "scandal" from the abuse of power, that the Democrats had left open -- and he rubbed salt hard into each one of those open wounds. But even without Gingrich, the Republicans would have won that election).

I'm sorry if some get offended, but you have to keep the passive mushy massive middle of a huge nation comfortable. They are not comfortable with anything that smacks of extremism. This is where the left has been effective -- slowly, through schools and media and entertainment, changed the minds of the population just enough to make many of their truly wacky ideas mainstream -- ideas that would have been extremism if they had attempted to impose them through government fiat.

Since 1994, the Democrats have not erred in that way again and they have slowly eaten away at the Republican gains, because they DO represent the strongest plurality (not majority, plurality) in this generation. The Republicans have not really "won" an election outright since 1994. They have, through a well-run campaign, through a relatively weak Rat candidate and through the "thousand small cuts" of a sordid scandal, by the barest of margins managed to "guerilla" in a President. One who is now very popular. Hopefully, fortune is with us again, but I'd be more comfortable seeing the Rats make a few mistakes, just to be sure.

173 posted on 12/13/2001 9:12:56 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: theoldright
Speaking as a conservative evangelical Christian who has come up through "old right" ranks you undoubtedly would consider among the stalwart, your "I want it all and I want it now" attitude does not evidence strategic thinking on your part, and actually such an attitude does more to undermine the very progress that you claim you so strongly desire.

Rather than enjoying and building upon the progress acheived to date, you grouse and merely number yourself among the chronically malcontented.

It is certainly not the attitude of a winner. Perhaps the more you lose, the more righteous you believe yourself to be.

Gotta get yourself off that treadmill.

174 posted on 12/13/2001 9:13:28 AM PST by Agamemnon
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To: bigeasy_70118
Everything you said is true. I do think that some Republicans start believing the lies in the press about religious people from time to time. I am involved in the party locally and from time to time I hear RINO's say something vicious behind their back: which is sad because the evangelicals are the backbone of the party who go to all the meetings and the RINO's are lazy and not as motivated.

That being said, there is definately a place for religion in politics, but if you are looking for a religous experience in politics, you are going to be dissappointed.

175 posted on 12/13/2001 9:13:36 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
No, these are the real Christians that stand principle rather than allowing politicians to sell out what's left of morality in our nation and allow the Republicans to advance an all-out homosexual agenda and name senate candidates that compare pro-lifers to the Taliban.<{> Shame on Bush for caving into homosexual activists and abandoning his base on issue after issue. There is no reason for real, dedicated Christians to support a President that names AIDS czars that believe in clean needles, condoms and gay marriage. Or cheapen human life with stem cell decisions that follow Clinton's executive orders rather than law.
176 posted on 12/13/2001 9:15:19 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
"But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

At first read of this article, I was preparing to blast Rove. The article is written to suggest, apparently, that Rove intended to take us Bible Thumpers to the woodshed. The excerpt is an example that if we remove the quotes from the commentary things can look different.

After further review it appears to me he's being rather introspective.

One needs to be aware that the word "fundamentalism" (and variattions of...) has now been given a negative connotation, just as "liberal", "ignorant", and others have. By doing this we can rhetorically tar-and-feather all kinds of folks.

I often thought that throughout the '80's and on(when the moviemakers and politicians had a heyday making Islamic people their whipping boys, and "Rock the Casbar" crap was going on)that it was just a matter of time until they used that precedent to marginalize Christians. Well here we are.

I don't see much to gripe at Rove about here, but I AM watching.

177 posted on 12/13/2001 9:15:55 AM PST by sayfer bullets
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To: Valin
He celebrates heathen holidays in our sacred White House

And just when did the whitehouse become sacred?


It is the home of the President, and I was disturbed at Muslim celebrations being held there mainly because would these celebrations had been held if the 9/11 hadn't occurred? As a Christian, if my death caused Christian prayers in Mecca, I would think I would have accomplished something for my faith.
178 posted on 12/13/2001 9:16:06 AM PST by RushingWater
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To: mercy
I have some issues with Bush but I certainly know my patriotic duty to vote against a puke like albore when I see it.

That may be, but you sure don't recognize "good cop-bad cop" when you see it. The Dem's trot out their left wing extremist "bad cop" each election and the Pubs answer with their slightly to the right warmed over socialist as the "good cop". And then both parties sit back and watch as the idiot voters jump for the chance to make government even larger and more left wing than it was in the last administration, by voting for the good cop.

Never fails.

179 posted on 12/13/2001 9:16:20 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: rdb3
Yes, you are correct. That's why Republicans are the STUPID PARTY (and, yes, I am a Republican.)
180 posted on 12/13/2001 9:16:21 AM PST by walden
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