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To: Huck
re: 18, 201, 21

Very well put. I would love to see education privatized, but one must work within the system to gradually change the system---while closely monitoring public sentiment on the issue. Dr. Keyes may be right in what he's saying, but we can't stop and change things on a dime...
29 posted on 12/15/2001 8:10:50 AM PST by motzman
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To: motzman
I would love to see education privatized, but one must work within the system to gradually change the system---while closely monitoring public sentiment on the issue. Dr. Keyes may be right in what he's saying, but we can't stop and change things on a dime...

It seems to me there is a moral question to all of this as well, which Dr. Keyes, and perhaps many here don't care to recognize, and it is this:

If you recognize that there will be a public school system for, let's say, at least another 10 years. Can we all agree that that is a 99% liklihood? Then, the moral question becomes what to do about the kids who are going to those schools? It is no exaggeration to say that the rest of their lives will be greatly influenced by the quality of education they receive in K-12.

So, do we leave them for dead? Do we say, in effect, my way or the highway to the Democrats, and to the millions and millions of Americans who support public schools, and who support Federal involvement? If we do that, what happens to the kids who have to go to those schools? Whether or not you like the idea, I believe a case can be made that there is a moral imperative for making the education system that the kids will be using as good as possible. Long term? Go ahead and work to change the paradigm. But short term, there are kids with their fannies in the chairs who need an education. Who will advocate for them?

In that regard, we have two separate debates. One short term debate is how do we make the current system better. Dr. Keyes chooses to opt out of that discussion, arguing pessimistically that improvement is impossible. Then there is the long term debate of how to move the country to a new attitude about how education is delivered. Dr. Keyes chooses to hector his friends, rather than attempt to sway people who disagree, or are uninformed. In my opinion, it is a fine waste of his skills as an orator ( one who talks for a living).

Getting back to the short term debate, I believe the President is on the right track when he says that the system should serve the kids, not the institutions. This was what we called "person-centered services" in social services. It means programs should be individualized, should include choice, and should measure results. The President wants greater accountability. Who can disagree with that?

Will this plan improve education? I hope so. Is there a better way? Probably? Is it feasible in the next 10 years? No. It isn't. So what do we do? Offer nothing to make the current system better? Or choose our battles, and make a moral choice to provide the best possible service to our youngsters?

31 posted on 12/15/2001 8:33:24 AM PST by Huck
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To: motzman
Dr. Keyes may be right in what he's saying, but we can't stop and change things on a dime...

Didn't Clinton just after he was in office, do somthing that made it OK to be in the military if you were a homosexual?

Before that if found out weren't you kicked out of the service?

Seems that was stopped on a dime.

71 posted on 12/16/2001 3:18:57 PM PST by carenot
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