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Islamists overplay their hand but London salons don't see it
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 12/17/2001 | Barbara Amiel

Posted on 12/16/2001 4:19:37 PM PST by Pokey78

In a column in last week's Spectator, Petronella Wyatt noted that "since September 11 anti-Semitism and its open expression has become respectable at London dinner tables."

This is an accurate observation and cannot be avoided by simply staying at home.

Recently, the ambassador of a major EU country politely told a gathering at my home that the current troubles in the world were all because of "that shitty little country Israel".

"Why," he asked, "should the world be in danger of World War Three because of those people?"

At a private lunch last month, the hostess - doyenne of London's political salon scene - made a remark to the effect that she couldn't stand Jews and everything happening to them was their own fault.

When this was greeted with a shocked silence, she chided her guests on what she assumed was their hypocrisy. "Oh come on," she said, "you all feel like that."

Once that remark would have cost her licence as a serious political hostess, but clearly she believes the zeitgeist is blowing her way.

The editor of a major British newspaper came to our home, and I can tell Petronella Wyatt that it can be just as awkward with good friends at lunch as it is with strangers at dinner.

The editor is a decent man but his paper habitually blames Israel's "opposition to peace" for the problems in the Middle East and lectures them to negotiate. "But, look," he was asked, "Arafat does not believe in the right of the Jewish people to a state. How can the Israelis negotiate in that situation?"

The editor replied with disarming honesty: "You have put your finger on the weak point in our argument."

All this is not as bad as it seems. True, these remarks are exceptionally painful for some British Jews who feel beleaguered aliens in their own land. For myself, it merits only a shrug.

One is irritated when, as last October, the community hall of a north London synagogue burnt down in what police labelled a racist arson attack and the matter barely rated a mention except in the Jewish press.

The Monday after the triple suicide bombings in Israel that killed 26 and injured around 200, the Evening Standard turned to Charles Glass, an old anti-Israel hand. Glass wrote: "Palestinians kill Israelis. Israelis kill Palestinians. Who killed first? No one remembers and it does not matter."

For the past 25 years, I've watched sad-faced Israeli activists trudge around Western capitals with heavy hearts beating under ill-fitting suits. They carry folders of transcripts and videotapes to document the misrepresentations in the press and the moral hypocrisy of the world towards Israel.

They want to win the war of ideas on its merits. Their attention to detail in translating the hate literature of the Middle East and the hate-filled speeches of its leaders is commendable.

It's enlightening to read, for example, their studies of Syrian and Palestinian Authority school textbooks that explain to young schoolchildren that the Jews are a people made up of rapists, murderers and thieves.

It is sad to learn that such PA textbooks are used by the UN in its schools for Palestinian refugees. But something new is "blowin' in the wind".

Today, after years in the media desert, Israel's experts and front-line activists are slowly finding some media doors opening to them. They may think it is their own perseverance. But I think it is the daisy cutter effect.

For years, I said that Jews were out of fashion and I understood why. The world was sick of the Middle East problem: why should it be inconvenienced by the cost and the ripple effect of terrorism?

The West defeated the Third Reich and we Jews were no longer in need of a lifeboat: indeed, today we would probably be safer just about anywhere rather than the Middle East. But events in the past year or so changed the equation and our rehabilitation has begun. The Arab/ Muslim world overplayed its hand.

Their first wrong move was the rejection of prime minister Ehud Barak's offer in 2000. Even if you looked at that proposal from an Arab point of view and believed that a Palestinian state comprising 95 per cent of the West Bank and a shared Jerusalem was not sufficient, you couldn't possibly argue that such a deal should be rejected out of hand.

The second mistake was launching the Al-Aqsa intifada after rejecting that deal. Eventually, the world saw that it was not Ariel Sharon's walk on the Temple Mount that caused the new intifada (a walk pre-cleared with the Muslim authorities) but Arafat's decision to escalate violence for tactical reasons.

The greatest error of all was when bin Laden, acting in the name of the Arab/Muslim world, decided - with a total incomprehension of what this would entail - to blow up Lower Manhattan and blow it up at a time when the American administration was in the hands of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and not Clinton and Gore.

The Arab street remained silent at best or cheered the WTC bombing even as some of their leaders made ritual condemnations of it. Almost overnight, a blindfold fell off America's eyes. Appeasement didn't work.

The problem was not Israel's intransigence, nor even the conflict that comes from Israel's existence: the problem is Islamism.

Islam itself is split between Islam as a religion that can be essentially peaceful - endorsing the qualities of charity and mercy - and militant Islam (Islamism), which is intolerant and expansionist. Islam periodically goes into this expansionary phase and is now in one.

That is why in the past few years some mosques in the West have seen violent incidents, including murders, as radical mullahs fight moderates for supremacy. Militant Islam wants to be the dominant force in the world.

Its crusade has Muslims fighting Christians in Indonesia, Sudan and Pakistan. Christians in Lebanon have largely fled. Muslim fights Muslim in Algeria. Islamism has been on the move all right, but it hasn't a chance now, because it finally woke up America.

It took the blowing up of three planes on an airstrip outside Jordan by Palestinian terrorists in 1970 to turn the world's attention to the Palestinian question. One regrets to say that it has taken a lot more violence to get the world to focus on the true nature of Islamism.

Powerful as the truth may be, it needs a nudge from 16,000lb daisy cutter bombs once in a while. The Arab/Muslim world's intransigence comes into sharper focus when we see the Americans liberate Afghanistan from the Taliban in six weeks and a cornered Arafat unable to go to the bathroom without the risk of being blown into the next world.

Nothing succeeds like powerful bombs, as bin Laden explained in his latest video release. "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse," he said.

"Some of the media said that in Holland, in one of the centres, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations [attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon] were more than the people who accepted Islam in the past 11 years."

Bin Laden understands the power of a successful show of force all right, though he seems slow to grasp that America's horses are stronger than his.

Don't worry, Petronella. It is both sad and true that the consequences of super-liberalism led to suicide bombers and intifadas in Israel and to the attacks in America. But the US has shown it is no paper tiger.

All those people bad-mouthing the Jews and Israel will quieten down. You are looking at the tail end of the train but the engine has already turned a corner and is going in the opposite direction.

Nothing succeeds like success. America is driving this train and the world will get on board - though the last carriage may be those London dinner parties.


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1 posted on 12/16/2001 4:19:38 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
"You have put your finger on the weak point in our argument."

LOL (Idiots)

2 posted on 12/16/2001 4:27:01 PM PST by blam
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To: Pokey78; lent; angelo; hsszionist; BenF; nachum; vrwc54, cachelot; Alouette; dennisw...
That's why Blair has laid low. The left in the UK is insane. Sound familiar? and a ping to some freepers!
3 posted on 12/16/2001 4:36:40 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: grlfrnd
Thanks fer the ping babe! V/ interesting piece here! Glad I live USA and not Euro who are just scared materialist slobs.
4 posted on 12/16/2001 4:43:41 PM PST by dennisw
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To: blam
Amazing how many of them still skulk around the dark corners of FR, looking for a chance to trash "Sharon's Visit to the Mount" yet one more tired time, and then jump gleefully into Israel-bashing.

Anti-semites are so tedious in their persistence

5 posted on 12/16/2001 4:43:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pokey78
 

At a private lunch last month, the hostess - doyenne of London's political salon scene - made a remark to the effect that she couldn't stand Jews and everything happening to them was their own fault.

 

Fine by me. This is why Jews now have their own homeland named Israel and will defend it with advanced weaponry.

Word to Arab Muslim Jihadists ! Stand back !! Attack at your own peril.

7 posted on 12/16/2001 4:51:26 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Pokey78
If someone had said what that dinner host said, in my presence, I'd have gone to jail for assault and battery(with smile on my face.)
8 posted on 12/16/2001 4:54:14 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: Pokey78
..."since September 11 anti-Semitism and its open expression has become respectable
at London dinner tables."


Given enough time, anything comes back into fashion...e.g., a quote
from a British officer from WWII (as best I can recollect):

"Actually, anti-Semitism was rather fashionable (in England) until Hitler came
along and over-did it."
>

History ALWAYS repeats itself, IMHO.
9 posted on 12/16/2001 4:56:12 PM PST by VOA
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To: Pokey78
Recently, the ambassador Senator of a major EU countryast Coast state politely told a gathering at my Charles Schumer's home that the current troubles in the world were all because of "that shitty little country Israel".
10 posted on 12/16/2001 4:58:58 PM PST by Alouette
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To: grlfrnd
The left in the UK is insane.

I think Europe could turn to Nazism again. The ingredients are all there that were there the first time.

11 posted on 12/16/2001 5:00:29 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Pokey78
the hostess - doyenne of London's political salon scene - made a
remark to the effect that she couldn't stand Jews and everything happening to them
was their own fault.


I'd always wondered what happened to Vanessa "Ms. Al-Fatah" Regrave.
(Just joking...but recalling Ms. Redgrave's support for Al-Fatah years ago...
maybe the 1970s?)
12 posted on 12/16/2001 5:02:23 PM PST by VOA
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To: dennisw
I completely agree, dennisw.

That "shitty little country" Israel could probably go 9 rounds with any of the so-called European powers and live to talk about it.

The salon jihadists--like their more dangerous cousins on the Arab street--make the classic mistake of believing their own hype. In fact, Isreal is *not* the lap dog of the United States, and she is more than capable of defending herself against any threat.

13 posted on 12/16/2001 5:02:39 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Pokey78
"Why," he asked, "should the world be in danger of World War Three because of those people?"

The language of true cowards.

14 posted on 12/16/2001 5:03:13 PM PST by stubernx98
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To: Skywalk
You should have heard what I said to Bosnian muslim refugee here in the USA when she said thAt the Jews were behind the attacks on 9-11....."$#@$*&^&%^#@! and ^%$#@# you little @$$0%$# witch!!"..... AND, THE LOOK I GAVE HER SHOULD HAVE TURNED HER TO STONE!!!
15 posted on 12/16/2001 5:05:57 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: FITZ
Not only are the ingredients all there, but worse is that Europe is now flooded with Arabs (after having killed off most of their Jews), and Germany is the defacto leader of a nearly united Europe. Hitler's greater Germany dream is almost a reality, as once again we see Europeans caving to German demands.
16 posted on 12/16/2001 5:09:56 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Pokey78; grlfrnd
Thanks for the ping, grlfrnd.

It would be interesting if Amiel named the ambassador and the Doyenne. But I think British libel law could be a major problem for her, if she did.

17 posted on 12/16/2001 5:10:56 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: crazykatz
and ^%$#@# you little @$$0%$# witch!!"..... AND, THE LOOK I GAVE HER SHOULD HAVE TURNED HER TO STONE!!!

Well, you could have thrown a bucket of water on her and she would melt.

18 posted on 12/16/2001 5:11:15 PM PST by Alouette
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To: cicero's_son
In about 12 months Israel will have a complete missile shield system. They are already protected on the north side with an anti-missile system but not from missile attack from Europe yet. (I'll concede it hasn't been proven in real world but the tests have all been successful). Ironically, Europe is adamantly opposed to anything like an anti-missile system.
19 posted on 12/16/2001 5:13:09 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Pokey78
Good old european anti semitism. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
20 posted on 12/16/2001 5:13:49 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Pokey78
She comes to the right conclusion ... but starts out seemingly on the wrong track.
21 posted on 12/16/2001 5:15:50 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Alouette,crazykatz
crazykatz is a very nice and involved lady who has helped Serb refugees in the USA. The great shame of AmJews is not supporting the Serbs and falling for Muslim Albanian lies and bs.
22 posted on 12/16/2001 5:16:43 PM PST by dennisw
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To: crazykatz
Good for you!

Whenever and wherever we encounter these sniveling, pathetic, corrupted b@st@rds we must shout down their lies.

23 posted on 12/16/2001 5:17:38 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Alouette,crazykatz
crazykatz is a very nice and involved lady who has helped Serb refugees in the USA. The great shame of AmJews is not supporting the Serbs and falling for Muslim Albanian lies and bs.
24 posted on 12/16/2001 5:17:44 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Pokey78
All the troubles of the Middle East traces directly to the perfidious British.
25 posted on 12/16/2001 5:19:29 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
Well, I think that's a bit unfair.

You can't seriously pin all of the regions troubles on the Brits.

26 posted on 12/16/2001 5:20:25 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Pokey78
The editor is a decent man.

Permit me to doubt it. Just because a man has a well-tailored dinner-jacket doesn't mean he's a gentlement. Most editors these days are disgusting, sleazy, lying hypocrital scumbags. And that's exactly what this guy sounds like from what he is reported to have said. If he's truly "decent," I'm a monkey's uncle.

27 posted on 12/16/2001 5:24:54 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Sabramerican
This article is about the Brits, but the Euros are a lot worse. Notice that some of the worst offenders here are Eurotrash visitors at British dinner tables.
28 posted on 12/16/2001 5:26:07 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Pokey78
The sad truth is that in NYC where I live most of the people who are anti-Sharon (and anti-Netanyahu before that) are Jews...they don't seem to have a real Jewish consciousness but rather a Northeastern liberal Jewish identity...it's like the American grandchildren and great grandchildren of the Holocaust survivors refuse to see the connection between Islamism and the Nazi movement...they seek peace through appeasement...they have no real sense of pride or courage.
29 posted on 12/16/2001 5:28:10 PM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: cicero's_son
They made promises to all sides. They lied to everyone. They closed the gates dooming millions of Jews to Hitler. They executed Jews. They coached Arab armies in their 1948 attack on Israel. I could go on.

As I see it: enemies are enemies. You know where you stand. Someday, maybe you will even reconcile. Lethal malicious treachery from supposed friends is damnable for eternity.

30 posted on 12/16/2001 5:30:46 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
Some of our greatest friends and allies today are the same people who commited the worst atrocities in the 1940's. I do not excuse their behavior then, but I will not hold the current generation responsible any more than I hold contemporary Americans responsible for slavery.

And as for closing the gates in WWII, do not forget how much the British themselves suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Were it not for their courage and resolve, America might never have gotten involved in the European War.

No nation is without sin.

31 posted on 12/16/2001 5:34:29 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Cicero
but the Euros are a lot worse

They need a new fad, Marxism isn't doing so well and they have to be chic and hate America, that could have them turning to Islamics for their newest infatuation.

32 posted on 12/16/2001 5:37:39 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Pokey78
Didn't realize that all those bombs the IRA set off for years and years were Israel's fault.
33 posted on 12/16/2001 5:38:07 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: cicero's_son
Their hypocrisy concerning Israel, when you consider their action vis a vis the Irish, is beyond belief.

They don't see the Jewish right to Israel (those are the gates they closed) but they went to war over an island off the coast of Argentina.

Not much to love about the Argentines, but I was rooting for them against the British.

34 posted on 12/16/2001 5:39:05 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Pokey78
The British sociocrats have always come off as a bit smobish and bigoted, now add anti-semetic bordering on Nazi to that combination and warning lights start flashing. European Jews need to see the inceasing hatred of Israel and prepare to cash out and relocate. So far the U.S. is still a safe haven but that can change rapidly, given the extraordinary potential for world crisis at any moment. Where can a Jewish man feel safe walking down the steet wearing his tzitziot out and a kippah on his head? Paris, London, Berlin, Jerusalem, Newark, Detroit, Miami?

I present to you that no place on Earth can an individual openly be Jewish and expect to remain safe. 100's of millions would come to the defense of Israel and the Jew's worldwide, but 1000's of millions would rather see them dead and forgotten.
35 posted on 12/16/2001 5:41:41 PM PST by hsszionist
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To: Sabramerican
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, then.

I'll freely admit their faults--as I would admit the faults of any nation--but I cannot agree with your blanket condemnation of the British. In a pinch, they are the one nation on Earth the United States can truly count on.

36 posted on 12/16/2001 5:43:49 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
True(?). But it took an a**kicking. Twice.
37 posted on 12/16/2001 5:45:15 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: hsszionist
It is true that no place on Earth is truly safe. It is good to be a Jew, and it is hard to be a Jew.
38 posted on 12/16/2001 5:45:39 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: hsszionist
I present to you that no place on Earth can an individual openly be Jewish and expect to remain safe.

Maybe not. But I watched the "Chanukah Live!" presentation on webcam and I was flabbergasted by the Menorah-lighting ceremony at the Kremlin. This massive menorah (20 feet high), thousands of people in subzero weather, the Mayor of Moscow wishing "Zpraznikem Chanukah" and loudspeakers playing Jewish music. Absofreakinglutely unbelievable. In Moscow. Who'da thunk?

39 posted on 12/16/2001 5:48:52 PM PST by Alouette
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To: cicero's_son
And an informed Jew.
40 posted on 12/16/2001 6:11:05 PM PST by hsszionist
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To: grlfrnd
Recently, the ambassador of a major EU country politely told a gathering at my home that the current troubles in the world were all because of "that shitty little country Israel".

I have no doubt that this is the opinion of many in Eurotrash land and in polite Britain. Just look at the U.N. votes of these imbeciles - overwhelmingly against Israel.

41 posted on 12/16/2001 6:11:58 PM PST by Lent
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To: Alouette
Was this a presentation by Chabad Lubabitch, I attended a community lighting at Chabad House in my City before going to my congregations events. It was moving. I missed the internet festivities.
42 posted on 12/16/2001 6:15:34 PM PST by hsszionist
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To: Pokey78
The West London Left is composed of the most irritating, snide, condescending, annoying, and just plain contrary English speaking folks that I have ever met in my life. Let me add, however, that it is as representative of the UK as Hollywood is of the USA. The trouble is that all the money in the country drains into London, and these mallet-heads have infested the nerve centers of most policy-making organizations. And a jug-eared, pencil-necked, ghastly-toothed grinning bunch they are.They have turned London into a pit. Anyone travelling to the British Isles needs to get out of London as fast as is humanly possible.
43 posted on 12/16/2001 6:33:47 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely
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To: hsszionist
Where can a Jewish man feel safe walking down the steet wearing his tzitziot out and a kippah on his head?

Montreal, actually.

44 posted on 12/16/2001 8:05:32 PM PST by NorthernRight
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To: Pokey78
I'd like to be as optimistic as this author ... but I can't. I believe that anti-semitism is the spiritual canary in this mine shaft of a world. I believe this because I believe there is a hidden powerful leader of evil in this world. Not an author of evil ... just a powerful leader. When I see anti-semitism thriving in any strata of society above the very lowest, skinheaded/sociopath/pervert level ... I start looking for the 'Dark Lord' and his minions to make a move. An earth shattering history uheaving sort of move.

I don't think the darkness personofied in readilly apparent world wide anti-semetism such as we have begun to see (right here on this forum) will go away because OBL blew up the WTC and killed a few thousand Americans. The sort of reformation this author believes in might slow the progress of what is to come. But it won't stop it. A few hundred million islamists are going to do everything they can to kill all the Jews and the citizens of any country who try and stand with the Jews. Do you really think any nation other than the US will attemp to resist such a flood? Will America truly stand with Israel when things get truly threatening?

45 posted on 12/16/2001 10:49:57 PM PST by mercy
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To: grlfrnd
BTTT
47 posted on 12/17/2001 12:27:44 AM PST by onyx
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To: NorthernRight
An Islamic and liberal free city, extraordinary.
48 posted on 12/17/2001 2:01:05 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: dennisw,Pokey78,
re : V/ interesting piece here! Glad I live USA and not Euro who are just scared materialist slobs.

And I love you too another whining article about how its not fair and no one likes the Jews.

re : For the past 25 years, I've watched sad-faced Israeli activists trudge around Western capitals with heavy hearts beating under ill-fitting suits.

What bollox the Israelis I met are fit types who dress very well, I am fed up with so called middle class soft whining types whining about my country if they don’t like it sod of, and that goes for Muslims as well as Jews. And Yanks as well.

I know that to a certain type of American patriotism is not how much you love your own country but how much you hate other countries .

You would almost think we were at war with each other the anti Brit crap that gets posted on this site.

Yes there are people who don’t like Jews there are also people who don’t like Muslims, Irish, Scots, other Europeans, blacks, Chinese, there are some who think its all Israels fault some who thinks it all the Arabs thought.

When America controls all its population so that you all think the right thoughts and support the right movement then maybe we follow you and you all be happy.

Tony

49 posted on 12/17/2001 2:18:55 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Sabramerican
re : Not much to love about the Argentines, but I was rooting for them against the British.

Do you always root for the losing side, of course if they had fought better maybe I would of been killed when out there , and then we would never of met.

As for Britain and Jewish right to Israel there has been no calls for Israel to be disbanded in Parliament, we have diplomatic representation and there is a lot of cross cultural exchange.

Lack of Blanket support does not mean blanket condemnation.

Tony

50 posted on 12/17/2001 2:24:52 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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