[dubyagee]

How do you scientifically test the idea of a Creator?

Exactly.....

[Glock22]

Actually, to all whove particpated: this has been the most informative and entertaining debate I've seen in a great while. Lots of rational discussion with very little ad-hominem argument or insult. You are one bunch of smart guys. Let's have a beer sometime. My 2cents: There appear to be reasonable grounds to question evolution, and most often the questioners are not treated with the respect they deserve. If they are not allowed in the debate, then there is no science, only dogma. This is a problem with the global warming debate also. It's great to see both sides so fully aired! ABSENCE OF PROOF IS NOT PROOF OF ABSENCE

[Aquinasfan]

How do you scientifically test the idea of a Creator?

With a negative proof. One can demonstrate that all other reasonably possible theories are false based upon scientific arguments.

Just as it is possible to point out the internal contradictions of all non-theistic philosophies (like materialism, Hegelianism, pantheism, relativism), it is logically possible that all non-creation theories of human origins can be demonstrated scientifically to be false.

This is the approach that the ID movement, and Johnson in particular, is using (and Medved here). Johnson is content to demonstrate the impossibility of evolutionary theory without providing a definitive "solution" for human origins. He's content to leave the subject of human origins as an open question, which it is, given our very limited knowledge.

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On the other hand, we can positively proove the existence of a Creator through unaided reason. But the proof is logical, not scientific.