Posted on 12/18/2001 4:10:48 PM PST by Pokey78
Others attributed claims of divinity to him for reasons ranging from it being better PR to the natural growth of myths and legends we see even in modern times about modern figures (Remember George Washington and the cherry tree story? Or how Christian missionaries incorporated local pagan beliefs into their doctrine when converting locals?)
He was a great philosopher and truly believed in his own divinity - but then a great many men believed some true things and some false. (Newton, for instance, believed in alchemy, but was still a great scientist.)
He started believing his own PR.
He was a great thinker given to occasional bouts of delusions of grandeur.
The fact is it is possible for someone to be right about some things, wrong about others. And it's possible for others to embellish your life story to make it a better sell.
I would reserve the #1 Christian heresy position for Catholicism. The #2 position would go to Protestantism. Perhaps Islam is a distant third.
not the Jesus who was the Son of God...the Muslim Jesus is not divine...he was not crucified - Islam insists that the story of the killing of Jesus is false...Muslims deny the Crucifixion
The above is what MAN says. What follows is what GOD says. Who are you going to believe?
1 Corinthians 1
22For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness. (NKJV)
1 John 2
22Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (NKJV)
John 3
16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (NKJV)
Clearly, Muslims do not have THE CHRIST - they have a moralistic teacher. They have damnation.
Well, I can see where Newton was still a good scientist, even if he was wrong on alchemy. Believing in alchemy, however, is a whole lot different that claiming to be God. One can be a good scientist, and be wrong on a few ideas, but I do not see how one can be called a good man, if he claims to be God, and is knowingly lying about it. Now, why didn't you just say all that in your first post? It would have made things a little more interesting. BTW, there is a story about Jesus on the History Channel right now, so I am going to watch it, and see what they have to say about it.
The question was whether the old "Liar, Lunatic or Lord" proposition is false. Clearly it is.
That's not to say that one of the other possibilities are right - it just shows the logical error in the proposition.
Maybe they heard this. "He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end."
Not even close.
To: Doctor Doom
(PS - Doesn't change the fact that there are a thousand other possibilities than the narrow two that false dichotomy presents.)
Then tell me some of them. You never did that.
36 posted on 12/18/01 5:47 PM Pacific by Mark17
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Therefore, when Muslims hate Christians, they are HATING Jesus Christ.
John 16 also says "The time will come when they will kill you and think they do Me a service."
So, the Jesus of the Bible flatly contradicts the article. To say that these Muslims love the Biblical Jesus AT ALL, much less as much as Christians do, is a monstrously idiotic notion.
Muslims are moon worshipers, period....that is all!
OK, you make a good point, but also think of this. If He was either lying, or mistaken, then He must have believed it pretty strongly, because He was killed for it, along with many of His Apostles, and many, many other followers, down through the ages. Anyway, let me go watch TV. See you later.
The debt Islam owes Judaism is, if anything, even greater, but that's another subject.
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