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To: spintreebob
Well, let's take responsibility for our own failure. It is not Patrick Leahy's fault that politicans only give us lip service because we do not vote.

Huh? I agreed with your earlier post, infering you meant "tactics matter more than pureness of heart" as a pragmatic approach - that dr_good_will_hunting may be tilting at windmills with his father's rights thing. So I suggested a possible winning strategy might be to have the courts declare that human life begins at conception. I then added some commentary about having the necessary political muscle in place to back up such a finding by a federal court.

Now you're lecturing about people not voting being the problem? I doubt that's the case with FReepers, for one thing. Also, you present it in the form of a non sequitur, which doesn't help. Plus, if you don't live in Vermont, there isn't much you can do directly about Pat Leahy. Indirectly, however, we could remove much of his power by creating a Republican majority in the Senate, which I certainly want to see happen (in both houses) and which I think will be necessary (along with having a pro-life President) in order to have any hope of overturning Roe vs Wade.

62 posted on 12/19/2001 5:07:50 PM PST by constable tom
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To: constable tom
Consider the reasoning in post #54...were Roe vs. Wade overturned tomorrow, getting to a Human Life Amendment, which having personhood defined as "at conception" amounts to whether it is by law, or ruling, or Amendment, will require a series of building blocks. I offer the legal endorsement of a pro-life father's right to protect as the most critical of those building blocks. See #54 for one of several reasons why, I can offer several others.

Further, consider it on a personal level. If legally endorsing a father's right to protect saves lives...

Also, consider were it your own baby soon to be subject to the death-by-dismemberment of abortion...

Would you not feel in every fibre of your being the right, need, and obligation to protect your own baby?

65 posted on 12/19/2001 5:20:27 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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