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To: billbears
Here's some more info for you on black CSA soldiers.

Vol. 6 House of Representatives.

Enlistment in the U.S. Army

1. 89-90 Feb. 10, 1863

Whereas information has reached this [CSA] congress of the passage by the Congress at Washington, District of Columbia, of a bill for the enlistment of negroes as soldiers in the armies of the United States, which armies are to be engaged in prosecuting the further invasion of the Confederate States of America; and

Whereas the constitutions, both of the Confederate States and the United States recognize Africans and their descendants as property; and

Whereas we can not consent to any change in their political status and condition:

Therefore,

Resolved, That the Committee of the Judiciary be instructed to inquire into the expediency of bring in a bill providing the proper forms for the disposition of all negroes or mulattoes who may be captured from the enemy in such manner that those of them who are fugitives from their masters may be restored to their right followers and those whom no masters can be found shall be sold into perpetual bondage for the purpose of raising a fund to reimburse citizens of this Confederacy who have lost their slave property by reason of the interference there with that of the enemy:

Which was read and agreed to:

2. 129 Feb. 21, 1863

"Mr. Colliers also offered the following resolution, viz.:

'Whereas the Congress of the United States has by law authorized the raising of negro troops, to be used in the present war in the attempted subjugation of the Confederate States: therefore,

Resolved, That the Committee on the Judiciary inquire into the expediency of providing by law that all negroes captured while so in the service of the United States shall, ipso facto, unless they be fugitive slaves, become the property of the captors, and shall thereafter be held and considered in all respects as slaves:'

Which was read and agreed to."

3. 486-487 May 1, 1863 Same subject as Senate pp. 386 April 30, 1863.

1. 'Resolved by the Congress of the Confederate States of America, in response to the message of the President transmitted to Congress at the commencement of the present session, That , in the opinion of Congress, the commissioned officers of the enemy ought not to be delivered to the authorities of the respective States, as suggested in the said message; but all captives taken by the Confederate forces ought to be dealt with and disposed of by the Confederate Government.

2. That, in the judgment of Congress, the proclamations of the President of the United States, dated, respectively, September 22, 1862, and January 1, 1863, and the other measures of the Government of the United States and of its authorities, commanders, and forces, designed or tending to emancipate slavers in the Confederate States, or to abduct such slavers, or to incite them to insurrection, or to employ negroes in war against the Confederate States, or to overthrow the institution of African slavery and bring on a servile war in these States, would, if successful, produce atrocious consequences, and they are inconsistent with the spirit of those usages which in modern warfare prevail among civilized nations. They may, therefore, be properly and lawfully repressed by retaliation.

3. That in every case wherein, during the present war, any violation of the laws or usages of war among civilized nations shall be or has been done and perpetrated by those acting under the authority of the Government of the United States, on the persons or property of citizens of the Confederate States, or of those under the protection or in the land or naval service of the Confederate States, or of any State of the Confederacy, the President of the Confederate States is hereby authorized to cause full and ample retaliation to be made for every such violation in such manner and to such extent as he may think proper.

4.That every white person, being a commissioned officer, or acting as such, who during the present war shall command negroes or mulattoes in arms against the Confederate States, or who shall arm, train, organize, or prepare negroes or mulattoes for military service against the Confederate states, or who shall voluntarily aid negroes or mulattoes in any military enterprise, attack, or conflict in such service, shall be deemed as inciting servile insurrection or who shall incite or cause to be incited a slave to rebel shall, if captured, be put to death or be otherwise punished, at the discretion of the court.

5. Every person being a commissioned officer or acting as such in the service of the enemy who shall, during the present war, excite, attempt to excite, or cause to be excited a servile insurrection or who shall incite or cause to be incited a slave to rebel shall, if captured, be put to death or otherwise punished, at the discretion of the court.

6. every person charged with an offense punishable under the preceding resolutions shall, during the present war, be tried before the military court attached to the army or corps by the troops of which he shall have been captured or by such other military court as the President may direct and in such manner and under such regulations as the President shall prescribe; and, after conviction, the President may commute the punishment in such manner and such terms as he may deem proper.

7. All negroes and mulattoes who shall be engaged in war or be taken in arms against the Confederate States or shall give aid or comfort to the enemies of the Confederate States shall, when captured in the Confederate States, be delivered to the authorities of the State or States in which they shall be captured, to be dealt with according to the present or future laws of such State or States.'

There were no black CSA soldiers. It is a myth; well, actually, it's a lie.

Walt

54 posted on 12/20/2001 11:25:07 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
And again Walt, you allow the rule of law to blind you to the facts!! Didn't you yourself say that the Confederacy was outside the law and not following the Constitution? The fact is that documented anecdotal evidence proves you wrong, yet you go back to the words of the politicians instead of the men in the field
55 posted on 12/20/2001 11:30:47 AM PST by billbears
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To: WhiskeyPapa
It is a myth; well, actually, it's a lie.

I guess all those northern newspaper reporters were lying when they wrote to their papers back home about black rebels.. Ohhh well, we know you're a cheap drunk. Need I say more.

56 posted on 12/20/2001 11:32:38 AM PST by VinnyTex
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To: WhiskeyPapa
There were no black CSA soldiers. It is a myth; well, actually, it's a lie.

With such assurance, I assume you were there and know for sure. However, you apparently forgot to inform some of the black CSA soldiers. See http://blackconfederates.tripod.com/

I don't know whether the information on the above site is correct or not, but I would be very surprised if there had never been any black CSA soldiers. Not many, but some.

In the oral history of one branch of my family, slaves buried the family silver and saved it for the family when Sherman's troops came through South Carolina stealing food and valuables. Not all of Sherman's troops stole, of course. A small band of them rode up to my wife's great-grandmother's house (my wife's great-grandfather was away at the war). The soldiers were very polite to the young woman and her small children -- they asked for food and shelter for the night. They were given food and allowed to sleep in the barn.

271 posted on 12/24/2001 1:33:49 PM PST by rustbucket
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