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To: ELS
Could you clarify what you mean by "both of the groups"?

The group including EWTN and The Wanderer, are considered by most not involved in this dispute to be among the most 'conservative' Catholics, using ordinary definitions. Clearly the 'traditionalists' are the other group. As I said, I am not up to speed on most of this argument, and am not prepared to discuss it intelligently. I was basically giving a heads-up to non-Catholic Freepers, and those who are Catholic, but less informed than I am as to what this was about, without using overly tendentious terminology. If you consider that I failed in this, my apologies.

7 posted on 12/23/2001 5:18:38 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I accept your apology.

I hope you will agree with me that, in general, when someone tries to summarize an eight page article in a few sentences and says that they aren't really up to speed on the topic, that it is actually a disservice to those whom they mean to help.

One of the main points made by Mr. Ferrara is that those who are endeavoring to destroy the Church from within are using the exact same techniques that the political left uses to destroy Western civilization.

10 posted on 12/23/2001 5:36:36 PM PST by ELS
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Point of order - as my old pastor put it, one shouldn't say someone/something is "conservative" or "liberal" when speaking of the Catholic Church. Those are political definitions. "Orthodox" should be used in place of "conservative". We didn't discuss "liberal", although "non-Orthodox" would probably suffice.

However, I've developed a better way of putting this - you are either plain old "Catholic", in that you ascribe to all of the teachings of the Catholic Church, or YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC. The Church is not a political party, where her position on such issues such as abortion, homosexuality, women priests, contraception, etc., depends upon who the pope is at a given time. The Holy Bible and 2000 years of Sacred Tradition have essentially nailed down the Church's position on every issue imaginable, and WILL NOT BE CHANGED. Very irritating to me, especially regarding these arrogant liberal American (so-called) Catholics, who think that a few protests, mass media exposure, etc., will change the Church's mind.

11 posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:56 PM PST by GreatOne
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