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To: Askel5
A sort of Calvinistic or pagan belief in the inexorable fate that is being Elect or Depraved.

I find the belief in own special status having a pagan character too. Many primitive tribe believe in their special status and have their own tribal gods.

174 posted on 12/25/2001 5:08:11 PM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
I find the belief in own special status having a pagan character

But, given my belief in Christ--the Messiah who rode an ass--the Jews were the Chosen Ones.
(And I believe I can make a compelling case for their having held exactly that "special status" among the rest.)

It's just that the continued operation of "Chosen Ones" absent the incarnation of Jesus -- the Jew -- as Christ leaves them forever distanced somehow from the rest of the family of man (and susceptible to being used in a most calculated fashion, IMHO).

I cannot be a Christian without acknowledging the essential truth of the Jewish tradition and the absolute truth of their having been the Chosen People.

That said -- and though it's not for me to force my beliefs on another or fail to respect a man who loves and is obedient to the truth he knows (rather than culling and governing it as necessary for his own "personal values") -- it's almost painful there is no genuine avenue for, much less interest in, proselytization.

There is no way for me to become a Jew. At the essential heart of the matter, then, there is no way for me ever truly to be equal in the eyes of God.

How can that be true?

195 posted on 12/25/2001 11:24:50 PM PST by Askel5
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