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Why Watch Pharisees
We Hold These Truths ^ | 12/25/01 | C.A. Carlson

Posted on 12/25/2001 10:35:40 AM PST by Wiley Sr

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To: Wiley Sr
News from the Front #60:

Christmas Speech:  The Scribes and the Pharisees of Oregon

This is a speech given at December 6, 2001 Christmas Dinner of the Yamhill County Women in Agriculture.  To put it in context, before the speech the audience was shown videotaped interviews documenting the devastation suffered by the farmers:

Seeing that this is a Christmas dinner, I must apologize because my remarks are not really going to fit the season, because the subject matter, fraud and corruption in salmon recovery, doesn't really fill anyone with happiness and joy.  So I thought I would take another approach, and make a little effort to put the Christ back in Christmas, so to speak, and draw some parallels between the evils that He preached about and the evils that Oregon agriculture faces today.  For I think it only a slight exaggeration to say that our modern "scribes and Pharisees" are, to steal a phrase from that great defender of agriculture, William Jennings Bryan, well down the road to crucifying agriculture on the cross of Environmentalism.  

In particular, I want to make the case that the "scribes and the Pharisees" of Jesus' day represented the same sort of evil that the environmentalists do today.  I do not mean people who want to take care of the environment as part of the wise use of natural resources.  I mean people for whom protection of the environment their religion, a religion where the ends always justify the means, because the world is about to end, and only they can save us.

The Great Fraud in the Klamath Basin

Our first text is Matthew 23:4, wherein Jesus said:  "they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers."  This is natural resource policy in the Klamath Basin.  Now we've just watched the farmers and others testify to their suffering, and even though the Bush Administration could have granted these folks an exemption from the Endangered Species Act, the Administration would not lift "one of their fingers".   Remember the widow Brown from the tape?  It's just like Jesus preached:  "ye devour widows' houses" (Matthew 23:14).

Before I figured out that evil was involved, I used to think of the High Priests of Environmentalism like the Wizard of Oz.  Out would come great pronouncements about salmon recovery, but if we ask any questions, it's "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".  Here in Oregon, a federal judge recently pulled back that curtain and said wait a minute, these endangered salmon listings are illegal.  You can't just separate out the hatchery fish, when their parents are wild and their children are wild, and pretend like they are some different species.  

So we now know that nearly every salmon listing in the Pacific Northwest is bogus.  These fish are not like whooping cranes or California condors or white tigers.  There is no significant chance at all that the salmon are going extinct.  We have the largest salmon runs ever measured this year.  What's the response of the scribes and the Pharisees?  Let us study this matter for a few more years, while we continue to violate the law every day.

But down in the Klamath Basin, most of the water that would have been used for irrigation is released to meet "minimum flows" for coho salmon.  Where did these "minimum flows" come from?  One of the scribes and the Pharisees, a man named Hardy, simply made them up.  There are piles and piles of studies before 1995 where people looked at the condition of coho in the Klamath River, and no one ever even suggested that more water needed to be released from the Klamath Project.  The fish aren't anywhere near the Project, they're on the other side of an impassable dam, they don't spawn in the mainstem river, etc., etc., etc. 

But that didn't stop Hardy.  He declared that the coho needed more water than there was in the Klamath River in seven years out of ten.  And so it became an article of faith for the High Priests and their gullible followers.  There is not enough water in the Klamath Basin in seven out of ten years.  We have to have more "balance", and "sustainability", etc., etc., etc.

What about the suckers?  Another fraud.  Let's remember that the natural state of this area is a stinking swamp.  Back in 1840 when the explorer Fremont came through, he reported he wouldn't even let his horses drink from the water because it was so fetid.  It's a beautiful lake and fields now.

But back in 1988, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service made up a bunch of lies about suckers.  One species was so scarce we couldn't even find any.  There were only a few of the other species.  They hadn't spawned in 18 years.  

And after they listed them, of course they got a bunch of money to study the problem, and they went out, and lo and behold, there were suckers everywhere.  Sometimes the water gets too much algae in it, and tens of thousands of them die, but that's not a problem, because suckers were engineered to survive in fetid swamps.  But all last summer, we had to keep Upper Klamath Lake full to the brim because otherwise there might not be enough water for suckers.  

Some people call the Democrats the Evil Party and the Republicans the Stupid Party.  Many Democrats don't think there is anything wrong with the Endangered Species Act -- after all, it gets rid of those rural Republicans.  And most Republicans just want to improve it.  "Let's insist upon good science, and require peer review", they say.  And that is stupid, because the real endangered species in the Pacific Northwest is good science (and farmers).  

Why?  First, most of the science is funded by the government, and scientific results always support greater government control.  Second, the very institutions of science are all rotten.  Let's use the Klamath Basin as an example.  Greg Walden has called over and over again for "peer review" of the Klamath decisions.  Well, they finally brought in the "good science" peer reviewers, and guess what?  They are, for the most part, eco-nuts and political activists.  Thanks to the wonders of the Internet, their beliefs are exposed, let me read you what one of them wrote:

". . . in the Pacific Northwest, keeping a few loggers employed for a few years (until the trees run out) or keeping a few cow grazing along unfenced streams is regarded as worth sacrificing entire fish populations that can support future generations."

Think about how nuts this guy really is -- trees are going to "run out".  And think about what distain he has for us:  all us Northwesterners are a bunch of hicks who want to exterminate whole species for a few loggers or a few cows.  That's who the Bush Administration has tapped for "good science".  

These sorts of people are just like the scribes and the Pharisees.  Consider Matthew 23:24, where Jesus said :  "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."  Doesn't this describe the High Priests of the environmental movement perfectly?

Think about it.  They are "blind guides", because they have no idea what sort of adjustments to human activities really do improve salmon survival.  First they tell us to pull all the logs out of the rivers.  Then they tell us to put them back in.  First they tell us that we can't have fertilizer in the rivers, now they're dropping dead fish in the water from helicopters.  If anything is a religious ritual, that sure is.  Maybe if we rain salmon down from the sky, there will be many salmon. 

And they "strain at gnats and swallow camels".  A landowner can't build a dock in rivers with listed fish, but the City of Portland can dump hundreds of millions of gallons of raw sewage into the Willamette.  Joe Six-Pack will pay a huge fine for holding onto a wild salmon he catches, while the gillnetters and their ilk conduct a huge, unregulated cash-based trade in wild salmon.  Pacific Northwest salmon are the only endangered species you can enjoy for fifty cents a pound.

By the way, you know what the latest outrage is down in the Klamath Basin?  Well, after the Bureau demonstrated that it had gone beserk, Oregon's most prominent representative of the Stupid Party spearheaded a law to give still more authority to the Bureau, this time to go and do "feasibility studies" about identifying additional water sources.  And the Bureau turned around and said aha, now we've got millions of dollars to buy groundwater to fill up the wildlife refuge we drained dry.  And nearly 200 wells have gone dry down there.  

 The Assassination of Measure 7

Enough of that, let's find another Biblical parallel.  In Matthew 23:23, Jesus says that the scribes and the Pharisees "pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith".  I take this to mean that the scribes and the Pharisees would follow little rituals, but abuse their power and authority.  That's pretty much what the Kitzhaber Administration has been all about.

It says right in the Constitution of the State of Oregon, Article 1, Section 1, that " all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; and they have at all times a right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper".   Last November 7, the people declared that they were sick and tired of having the State of Oregon steal their property by passing regulations taking it away, piece by piece, and so they passed Measure 7.

Now Governor Kitzhaber is sworn to uphold the law, which included Measure 7 once passed.  And it was his job, along with the Attorney General, to defend Measure 7 from any lawsuits that the losers might file.  So what happened?  Government Kitzhaber and his lawyers and the environmentalists sat down with the plaintiffs' attorney and planned out how the State of Oregon could lose the lawsuit.  It was a 2 1/2 hour meeting, and they even picked the Marion County judge to hear the case.  And then the plaintiffs' attorney went home and prepared his lawsuit, and then the Deputy Attorney General went into Court and told the Judge, in substance, to go ahead and enter an injunction against Measure 7 because he was going to lose the case.  

So they paid the "tithe of mint and anise and cumin"; they went to Court and put on a little ritual for the public.  I look at this, and I see a gross betrayal of the public trust, and a criminal conspiracy to violate the civil rights of property-holding Oregonians.  And if we had prosecutors who weren't wimps, they'd issue criminal indictments for this sort of crookness.  But here, in the People's Republic of Oregon, you won't even read about this in the newspapers, only on the Internet.  Because the Commies are firmly in control in Oregon, and to the Commies, the State has to be able to steal private property without paying for it; that's what Communism is all about.  To me it's like  Matthew 23:27:  the shiny new buildings down in Salem are "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."  

By the way, Governor Kitzhaber appointed the Deputy Attorney General who threw the case to the Court of Appeals, where he now sits.  And the only reason we found out about this at all is because afterwards, the plaintiffs' attorney showed up with his hand out to be paid by the taxpayers for his great victory, and his timesheets show the meeting.  And then Oregonians in Action managed to get ahold of the notes of the meeting, which told the whole sordid story.

Land Management and Enviro-Hypocrisy

Let us turn to another text.  Consider Matthew 23:13, where Jesus said:  "woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."  Isn't that a good analogy for public land management policies in the Pacific Northwest?  The wild places are the Kingdom of Heaven for the High Priests of Environmentalism, yet most of them never visit them, they merely close them off so no one can see them.

These people are taking over virtually every important public office in Oregon.  Two weeks ago, a man named Roy Elicker was promoted to Deputy Director for the Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife.  A friend of mine named Holly Swanson has a tape of a speech he gave at the University of Oregon ten years ago, when he was a lawyer working for the National Wildlife Federation.  Listen to what he said:

"What everyone likes is the Big victory, you load them cattle trucks for the last time and they go driving off into the sunset and never come back. But you can win a lot more victories than that ultimate one by making . . .  making it so expensive [for the rancher] in his operation and by making so many changes for him to continue to run his cattle on the public lands that he goes broke... he can't do it . . .The ultimate picture is of course, the last cattle truck driving off into the sunset, but that's not how you win. How you win is one at a time, one at a time, he goes out of business, he dies, you wait him out, but you win."

And now this guy is second in command at ODFW, so he can achieve his big victory.  But you won't read about him in any newspapers.  Unless you turn off your television, put down your newspapers, and get on your PC, you can't find out the truth about anything anymore.  It's all lies. 

Recognizing and Confronting Evil

Now Jesus recognized evil when he saw it, and he knew the scribes and the Pharisees were evil.  His words don't leave much doubt:  "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"   And the worst thing about the scribes and the Pharisees is that they pretended to be virtuous, and even believed themselves to be virtuous, just like the environmentalists.  

And things are worse than back in the times of Jesus, because these scribes and Pharisees don't just control the new State Religion of Environmentalism, they control every arm of the State itself.   You want to buy a house?   Good luck affording one; we have to concentrate all the people inside the Urban Growth Boundary, but we have to set aside the undeveloped land inside the Urban Growth Boundary for fish.  You have a good job in heavy industry?  The Dark Forces have stopped anyone from building power plants for a long time, because they want to supply the power by closing down electricity-dependent industries, which are now falling like flies.  You want to grow food?  But that takes water, and we can't use water because the fish need it.  And so on, and so on.  

We watched the failure of central economic planning and the collapse of Communism.  We used to recognize the evils of Communism.  And  now the same Commie philosophy is behind central economic planning for the environment.  But we don't seem to recognize the evil.  In a way, the very failure of Commie planning -- economic decline -- is deemed a great success.   We stopped development, so the plan worked, they say.

And who is fighting this evil?  Almost no one.  Oregonians in Action is putting up a bit of a fight, but where is your Farm Bureau?  In bed with 1000 Friends of Oregon.  Where are your Granges?  Asleep or running square dances.  [Ed. Note:  I stand corrected by the Grange]

And what on earth are your legislators?  Every year, the State of Oregon forces me to pay $2,000 license fee and sends me a monthly magazine called the "Oregon State Bar Bulletin".  And when I opened up the August/September issue this year, the first article was entitled "Kumbaya at the Capitol:  A review of the 2001 Legislative Session".  And the first sentence was:  "The 2001 legislative session was one marked by a spirit of cooperation."  

My question is, why are we cooperating with evil at all?  Here's the Biblical perspective on that (2 Corinthians 6:18):  "what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"  Now I don't mean to imply that all of your leaders are evil. As a very great woman philosopher once wrote:

"The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority; it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind; it is the appeaser's intellectual abdication that invites them to take over. When a culture's dominant trend is geared to irrationality, the thugs win over the appeasers. When intellectual leaders fail to foster the best in the mixed, unformed, vacillating character of people at large, the thugs are sure to bring out the worst. When the ablest men turn into cowards, the average men turn into brutes."

I don't know of a single member of the Legislature who isn't some sort of appeaser.  Some of them are good people, even righteous people.  But, as Proverbs 2:21 tells us, "[a] righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring."  

Join the Salmon Revolution

What's worse is that the Dark Forces haven't just taken over natural resource management in Oregon; they've infiltrated every institution in this country that shapes our future.  We have lost control of our government agencies, our courts, our schools, all because we don't care enough to do anything about it.  

I mean really, aren't you just a little ashamed to live in the People's Republic of Oregon -- the only state where three major cities won't even interview aliens to protect us from terrorists because they are afraid of being insensitive to illegal aliens?  Did anyone read Dave Reinhard's column in the Oregonian this morning?  If White Supremacists kill someone, the Portland police can question every skinhead in sight.  If abortion extremists blow up a clinic, we can question every abortion activist in sight.  But if terrorists blow up the World Trade Center and kill thousands of people, we've got to be very careful to protect the civil rights of illegal aliens.

Every generation has a responsibility to pass along civilization to the next generation.  We are always just one generation away from the Dark Ages.  And in every generation, Dark Forces are trying to dismantle the ideals that made this a great Nation.  The Dark Forces replace our freedom with petty rules.  The Dark Forces replace our unalienable rights with unreviewable  government powers.  The Dark Forces replace private property with what they call "the public interest" -- what they want.  The Dark Forces replace due process of law with raw political power.  And the Dark Forces replace the truth with the lies that build that power.    

Make no mistake about it, whether you know it or not, you are at war with these Dark Forces right now.  It's not just a war about salmon and agriculture; it's a war about culture and ideals and freedom.  Winston Churchill once said, "When great causes are on the move in the world, we find that we are spirits, not animals, and that something is going on in space and time, and beyond space and time, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."  So it is to your spirits that I want to appeal.  You have a sacred duty to fight these Dark Forces, and pay forward the debt your ancestors paid with their blood, toil, sweat and tears.

How many of you are willing to work just a little harder in the New Year to elect people with common sense?  It doesn't matter whether they are Democrats or Republicans or whatever.  There are good people at the bottom of both parties.  

You've got to get people who are willing to call a spade a spade in every significant public office to start winning this war.  You've got to get people who the newspapers will call extremists in office, to wage war with the extremists that have taken over the bureaucracies.  There is no other way.  

We can win this war, which I call the Salmon Revolution.  We can make the rural Northwest a beacon of light no matter how far the Dark Forces advance in the great corrupt cities.  We can adopt the same political and organizational tactics of the Leftists, and regain control of the State of Oregon.  This Christmas, your efforts are the gift I hope for most.  Thank you.

© James Buchal, December 6, 2001

41 posted on 12/25/2001 9:33:01 PM PST by Iconoclast2
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42 posted on 12/25/2001 9:42:05 PM PST by Betty Jane
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
You are not going to report anything because you don’t want the record to be analyzed.

I have already reported you.

47 posted on 12/25/2001 9:49:35 PM PST by Robert-J
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To: RnMomof7
I believe YOU are correct. They worshiped the law and not the giver! This is not about Israel.

I believe You are correct too! This is not about Israel, it is about the state of the heart of the individual.
Those Jesus spoke of happened to be Jewish, but He was speaking to us all.

48 posted on 12/25/2001 9:52:07 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Wiley Sr
Since I was dragged into this forum by "libertarianize the GOP", I think that I will add a comment.

First, I found an interesting discussion on the Pharisees and Sadducees at http://www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/pharsadd.htm. I don't know anything about the author, but I did find his essay to be informative.

Someone on this thread mistakenly said that Jesus was a Pharisee. The Pharisees were small in number. They were affluent individuals. Jesus came from Galilee, and was from the lower classes.

Jesus and the Pharisees held many of the same views. Some Pharisees were sympathetic to Jesus such as Joseph of Arimathea (sp?) and Nicodemis. However, Jesus' primary emphasis was on the love and compassion of God. Those Pharisees with whom Jesus was in conflict, placed a primary emphasis on maintaining personal holiness, and were severely judgemental towards the "sinner" who did not comply. While Jesus regarded many of the same actions as sinful as did the Pharisees, His compassionate nature brought Him into conflict with those who were rigid and unyielding; especially those who trusted in their own personal righteousness rather than the mercy of God.

50 posted on 12/25/2001 10:10:50 PM PST by Robert-J
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To: Wiley Sr
There were two sects of Pharisees, they were in opposition to each other's teachings. The Messiah's teachings as reflected in the Apostolic writings followed the philosophy of Hillel for the most part and opposed the teachings of the Shammai. It is quite appearant that the author of the article was ingnorant of this pivital detail, and needs to go back to his teacher and demand a refund. He even wrongly used the Jewish Idioms he quoted in the article. How embarrasing for him.
51 posted on 12/25/2001 11:21:09 PM PST by hsszionist
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To: Admin Moderator; Eagle Eye
To: Kevin Curry
How about this! A whole thread dedicated to you.
24 posted on 12/25/01 3:52 PM Pacific by Eagle Eye
Eagle Eye's post #24 is an inappropriate personal attack, and a forum rules violation.
52 posted on 12/25/2001 11:31:40 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: tex-oma
There are some in every culture who will consistently attack and try to destroy anything good, whether through ignorance, envy, or Master Plan. In some cultures these vermin are little more than an annoyance. In others they gain the upper hand.

Where is our culture on this scale? I don't like the answer I come to.

53 posted on 12/25/2001 11:49:15 PM PST by LSJohn
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To: Wiley Sr
most study Bibles and courses omit all but a casual mention of the Pharisees.

You will be happy to know that the MacArthur Study Bible lists 43 references to the Pharisees.

54 posted on 12/26/2001 3:13:33 AM PST by good1
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To: good1
As a further follow-up; The NIV Study Bible lists 35 references to the Pharisees.

The granddaddy of all the Pharisee censors is the powerfully promoted Scofield study Bible,

I don't know where you are getting your information. I took down my New Scofield Reference Edition and counted no less than 43 references to the Pharisees.

But more to the point of your article; as has been pointed out your essay is more anti-Semitic than anything else. I would also suspect that you are a devotee of the so called "King James Only" sect. A pretty Pharisaical sect themselves.

55 posted on 12/26/2001 3:52:49 AM PST by good1
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To: Wiley Sr
Every follower of Christ should ask himself, "Why is almost all mention of the most powerful and evil cult to appear in the New Testament avoided and shunned by Christian leaders today?"

C. E. Carlson seems to spend more time counting how many Pharisees can dance on the head of a pin, instead of advancing the message: "Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."

The modern day equivalent of this is: "Beware of the political correctness of the Leftists, which is hypocrisy!" The Pharisees may change their label, but they, like the poor, are always with us.

Every follower of Christ should expose their hypocrisy at every opportunity, and leave the counting of the Pharisees to God.

56 posted on 12/26/2001 4:25:32 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: Wiley Sr;Libertarianize the GOP
It is very telling when you look in your Bible at an index for descriptors of the Pharisees. My cyclopedic index (New American Standard) says of Pharisees:

A. Characteristics of:
Upholders of traditions (Mark 7:3, 5:8; Gal. 1:14)
Sticklers for Mosaic Law (Acts 26:5; Phil. 3:5)
Very careful in outward details (Matt. 23:23; Luke 18:11)
Rigid in fasting (Luke 5:33; Luke 18:12)
Lovers of display (Matt. 23:5-7)
Covetous (Luke 16:16)
Cruel persecutors (Acts 9:1,2; Phil. 3:5,6)

B. Chief errors of:
Outward righteousness (Luke 7:36-50)
Blindness to spiritual things (John 3:1-10)
Emphasis on the ceremonial law (Matt. 15:1-9)
Perversion of scripture (Matt. 15:1, 9)
Self-justification before men (Luke 16:14, 15)
Hindering potential believers (John 9:16, 22)
Refusal to accept Christ (Matt. 12:24-34)

C. Christ's description of:
Vipers (Matt. 12:24, 34)
Blind (Matt. 15:12-14)
Hypocrites (Matt. 23:13-19)
Serpents (Matt. 23:33)
Children of the devil (John 8:13, 44)

Christ despised the Pharisees, who were not interested in following God's will, in their hearts. They used their knowledge and status to gain and maintain power and political influence, to invent ways to economically profit from God's people (perfect example was the time Christ showed anger in the temple: Matt. 21:12; Mark 11:15). A pastor explained what had occurred, which is not understood from the text itself. (And I may not be retelling it 100% accurately, but the general idea is accurate.) The Jewish people were required to offer a sacrifice. The poorer people could only afford to purchase a bird (pigeon or dove) rather than a larger animal. The dove would be offered for their entire family. Buying this at the temple, they believed the bird would represent only their own family. The Pharisees, however, invented a way to profit from the sacrifice: they would sell each bird multiple times to unsuspecting families. By the end of the day, one bird might have been sold to dozens of families for the same price to each family, each family believing the purchased bird was sold only to them. This is what angered Jesus: the Pharisees, by deceit, profited from God's people who followed what God required.

I have seen and know many "Pharisees" within the Christian churches. They turn my stomach and I do not associate with such people. They know the scriptures, backward and forward, they know all the "right things to say" and sound authoritative, they freely speak their minds, and while doing so, they "beat the sheep," instilling in them guilt, making them feel unloved by God, unworthy to be called a Christian, freely saying that they even wonder if certain individuls are Christians because they "don't measure up" to the doctrine the Christian Pharisee applies to them, thereby manipulating control over the church goer. They are the last to show empathy or a willingness to help. Instead, they falsely accuse the Christian for deserving the hardships they are enduring because of some past or hidden sin. (While this could be a possibility, the Christian Pharisee always assumes it must be true.) Beware of the Pharisees, they are alive and well.

57 posted on 12/26/2001 6:15:22 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Hank Kerchief; RnMomof7
None will quote what Jesus Himself said His purpose for being born in the world was: John 18:37 "...Jesus answered, ... to this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

Most today confuse the voice of some donominational authority, church leader, or the Pope for the voice of Jesus Christ.

What most people seem to forget is that first and foremost, Christianity is a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus, not a "corporate" relationship. If you don't have the personal part together, none of the rest of it means anything. Miost people are content to worship Jesus from afar. They don't want to get too close, because it might cost them something. "He who comes to God must first believe that He is, and that He is the rewarder of those who DILIGENTLY seek Him." You can't diligently seek God from a distance. If you expect to receive from God, you must draw near to Him. Those who are near to God aren't the ones who go around trying to run everyone else's lives (Pharisees), because if you are near to God, His nature begins to be manifested in you, and God doesn't try to micro-manage people. I don't care how close someone claims to be to God, if they don't manifest His nature and His love, they are far away from Him.

58 posted on 12/26/2001 6:26:55 AM PST by nobdysfool
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To: TwoHouse
You are actually keeping PAGAN FEAST DAYS THAT ARE NOT BIBLICAL.

Nope. I'M celebrating the birth and resurrection of Jesus, plain and simple. The calendar days they fall on or what those days may coincide with is unimportant to what I hold in my heart. I appreciate your filling me in on something I honestly didn't know, but it doesn't change anything for me. I know full well what I'M rejoicing over, God knows, and that's good enough for me.

MM

59 posted on 12/26/2001 8:41:37 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Cultural Jihad
Are you jealous that I left you out?

Consider yourself included.

You don't have any problem calling people 'dopertarians', porn-pushers, et, etc, etc, but you come unglued when you get a taste of your own medicine.

I guess that's what make you so Sad-u-see.

(Ok, ban me for bad puns.)

60 posted on 12/26/2001 9:04:19 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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