[madrussian]

If you believe that the United States should change some of its policies regarding Israel, simply state what those policies are and why they should be changed. Quoting bin Laden simply confuses the issue, and leads people to the reasonable conclusion that you agree with him.

I already stated that.

"Quoting bin Laden" is used to refute the previous Israel-firsters' line of defence of Israel "not having anything to do with it". As expected, they fell back onto the second line of defence, which for an observant reader should tell something about their trying to spin this.

Actually, I never said such a thing. I simply objected to the idea that we should change our policies to appease a vicious thug like bin Laden.

That does sound silly, but that's not what I said.

I don't know about the Israel-firsters (whoever they may be), but I am less scared than disgusted by people (such as Bin Laden and you) who try to use support for Israel to justify terrorist attacks on my countrymen.

That's another misconception of yours. I'd refer you to excellent articles by Sam Francis on the subject. I can send you links when I find them.

So now we are supposed to believe that Israel somehow "set us up" for the attacks on 11 September?

Read my reply to Brooklyn above.

[Logophile]

"Quoting bin Laden" is used to refute the previous Israel-firsters' line of defence of Israel "not having anything to do with it". As expected, they fell back onto the second line of defence, which for an observant reader should tell something about their trying to spin this.

Just who are these "Israel-firsters" that have you so upset? Your obsession with them seems to have robbed you of your reason -- to the point that you would believe what bin Laden says about Israel.