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To: Silvertip
You have interesting information about "crazy" Irv and his gang. Also about ADL. I am very curious to learn more, if you have anything to say and if that information is first-hand or at least from a friend who knows.

I know that some people used to sympathize with "crazy" Irv because he was pro-2A.

I don't make the mistake of looking at superficialities, like differences in tactics. To me, what unites them is crazy paranoia and victimhood. Or yeah, they are militantly intolerant to anything that they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause.

363 posted on 12/26/2001 9:01:09 PM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
To me, what unites them is crazy paranoia and victimhood. Or yeah, they are militantly intolerant to anything that they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause.

JDL is neither crazy nor paranoid. JDL rails against the perpetual victimhood mentality. Read some of their stuff.
I don't see being militantly intolerant to an "ethnic cause" i.e. Jewish survival and real discrimination as a bad thing.

Conversely, ADL is neither crazy nor paranoid. However they realize the profit potential (actual and realized) of the perpetual victimhood mentality. No one in the Established Jewish Community was ever criticized for donating to BB/ADL.
ADL is far from militant. As the socialists and communists they are, they will simply buy, legislate, and enact all the laws and influence they need.

They have all the time in the world.

Off to bed for me. Good exchange. Thanks.

371 posted on 12/26/2001 9:34:38 PM PST by Silvertip
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To: madrussian
"Or yeah, they are militantly intolerant to anything that they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause."

So? So what! Everyone is intolerant of anything they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause!

The problem is that basically Tom Lehrer had it right. "...and everyone hates the Jews!" He was making a funny in his song, but there was more than a kernel of truth to it.

There is no shortage of groups who have receive equally inhumane treatment as the Jews. The Hutu/Tutsi massacre, Pol Pot's holocaust, Mao, Stalin, the list goes on and on and on to the begining of time itself.

But, there's a difference. Pol Pot's victims would have fared infinitely better virtually anywhere else but under his regime. Same with Stalin's -- and Mao's tens of millions of victims, and so on. The Jews, however, are pretty much hated wherever they go -- and then they have to suffer the indignity of being accused of having a "persecution complex" and "paranoia" -- or, alternately -- of being "intolerant" of their tormentors.

God, I suspect, does not smile on this.

372 posted on 12/26/2001 9:36:58 PM PST by Don Joe
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