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To: madrussian
"You'd have to work hard to find a statement that Israel is *the* cause. It's only one of the causes why the Arabs, and muslims in general, are pissed."

So why is there such a vocal crowd that insists that the world would be so much better off if we dropped our support of Israel?

"Leave your psychobabble about "feeling inferior" alone, it's weak and you know it."

No, actually I don't know that it's weak at all. And you aren't convincing me with your feeble attempts at mindreading either. The more a group strains to convey it's unity, pride, accomplishments or whatever, the more suspicious I get. Often, those suspicions are justified. Comes from living all my life in America.

"America should take a stand and stand firm on the issues and causes that it believes are fundamentally righteous and are of importance to the people of America."

I agree, but it's a truism. No doubt intended to set the reader up for some garbage to follow.

"If you think you can get away with the usual brain-dead "Israel is our only true friend and only democracy", you are wrong, or if you think you can declare the Arabs blood-thirsty untermenschen, the way the Nazis portrayed the Jews, then you are insulting my and other posters' intelligence."

Ah, and here it is. First, the argument you bring up - while I personally haven't used it on this forum - it is valid as one of *many* reasons why America should support Israel. Second, I apologize that I don't know German but I think I get your point. You seem to be mad because I called you down on some of your attempts at spreading distortions.

By the way, your statement "America should take a stand and stand firm on the issues and causes that it believes are fundamentally righteous and are of importance to the people of America." is trivially true as I noted but bears no logical relation to what follows. It is the sort of ploy that manipulative Leftists use - a valid but irrelevant premise.

You're not a Leftist, are you?

498 posted on 12/27/2001 3:38:27 PM PST by djr
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To: djr
So why is there such a vocal crowd that insists that the world would be so much better off if we dropped our support of Israel?

There is a disconnect in your logic, don't you see. I'd be suprised if from a true statement "Israel is not *the* reason", another one "we should support Israel to any extent" would follow. My belief is that America *should* support Israel, but only to the extent of guaranteeing their security from a sudden Arab attack. That is, America should tell the Arabs, if you attack, we'll interfere. NOTHING more is a given or implied.

First, the argument you bring up - while I personally haven't used it on this forum - it is valid as one of *many* reasons why America should support Israel.

Let's drop the subject of whether that argument is valid or not, as non-essential to this argument.

Second, I apologize that I don't know German but I think I get your point.

If you had, then you should be ashamed at your generalizations.

You seem to be mad because I called you down on some of your attempts at spreading distortions.

And yet, you are the one caught trying to put words in my mouth. Is that a debating technique?

I noted but bears no logical relation to what follows. It is the sort of ploy that manipulative Leftists use - a valid but irrelevant premise.

It makes perfect sense, because those are fundamental principles you are supposed to make you case.

You're not a Leftist, are you?

LOL!

500 posted on 12/27/2001 3:55:53 PM PST by madrussian
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