The Necessity of Fear

"I never meant to come across as treating anyone as if they were! But when folks don't like the info in my links, they sometimes do what you did - start jumping all over my case! I don't write this stuff - but I have to form opinions from researching it. I'm only human!"

I'm certainly not yer enemy, ratcat, I simply believe your morose lack of desire to impact change to a inarguably-flawed foreign policy and/or the CorruptEffeteEliteDeeCeeCulture disempowers you and others from making the things happen that can happen only by GrassRootsActivists focusing OUR Righteous Outrage on those most responsible for the problems. Those folks are the DemonRAT Lib'rals who voted almost unanimously to allow a Liar/Felon/Rapist/Mass-Murderer/Traitor/Tyrant to retain Power for eight long years despite massive evidence that he was not worthy of retaining said Power!! Yer focus on justifiable actions by 80's-era Reagan/Bush appointees betrays, IMHO, an unwillingness to hold Current ClintonCriminals accountable for their Crimes Against Humanity!!

"Concerning the terrorists on the CIA payroll. As I stated, Bush issued an executive order in June defunding the terrorist leaders - by name. By then, several of them had been hired by the UN - so we were still funding them via another route."

Good fer Bush...you have no point whatsoever.

"In a cruel irony, while the Islamic jihad --featured by the Bush Adminstration as "a threat to America"-- is blamed for the terrorist assaults on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, these same Islamic organisations constitute a key instrument of US military-intelligence operations in the Balkans and the former Soviet Union."

Well, duh...are you really this clueless about CounterIntelligence and espionage in foreign hotspots or are you just acting naive fer my benefit?

MUD

"We'd be better served finding some way, some common-ground between all of us on the Right; Libertarian, Constitutionalist, 'Pubby -- MoonMen ~if they love this nation, believe in the rule of Law! Whereby we all might come together for the express purpose of fighting what's obviously the formidable enemy of a (seemingly) unfied Left?"

Couldn't agree more, but if the Price of Consensus is to just "Move On" and to not continue to insist that Justice be done vis a vis Der SchleekMeister and his Sycophants on the Left, well, that Price is more than I can bear!!

Justice@in't.Negotiable!! We've no choice but to pursue Clinton until he is Imprisoned fer his Crimes!! Those who argue otherwise are worthlessly disempowered and of no use to anyone, IMHO!!

FReegards...MUD

"You are avoiding the issue. The point is that the American public would never have supported getting into a ground war in Afghanistan before 9-11, and if you asked most Americans if we should put the Northern Alliance in power and use the US military to keep them in power, the response would have been "No way!""

I am most certainly NOT avoiding the issue, Ms. Jade, and I absolutely disagree that the American public would not have supported a Ground War into Afghanistan earlier than 9/11/01 had we a REAL POTUS--with genuine character and steely resolve--from '93-'00!! Clinton could not have mustered the leadership to fight a War on Terrorism and he wouldn't even have tried because the Left LOVES Terrorism and the Fear it instills in the Sheeple. But if a healthy Ronald Reagan wouldda been in office when the first WTC Attack occurred, the Taliban and al Qaeda networks wouldda been defanged long before 9/11/01.

"The American people have been lied to and led to believe that the multi-national alliance and strategy to throw out the Taliban and put the NA in power just popped into existance after 9-11. Also we were not told that this operation had already been in progress for months (as I mentioned according to Jane's) and that the bombing and use of US ground forces have been used to carry out this operation that was already started."

That's moolarkey!! Our military is always prepared to deal with foreign hotspots, and Afghanistan was certainly one to address. But the difference is OUR Commander-in-Chief as compared to the old Traitor-in-Chief we had for the last eight years...yer insinuations of Bush complicity with 9/11/01 are unsubstantiated, reckless, and counterproductive towards getting the REAL criminals.

"I do have a problem with these lies and manipulations to get us sucked into another war and more nation-building schemes, a la Kosovo. Obviously the administration hasn't told us the truth because they know that the American public never would have gone along with this scheme before 9-11."

Afghanistan is far different from Kosovo, in which a Vile American POTUS carpet-bombed innocent civilians for weeks just so he could give the Networks something to blab about that didn't include references to Impeachment. Of course, America was in no mood to invade Afghanistan during the Summer of '01...but a Good Leader couldda--and wouldda--made the case to go after these terrorists after WTC I, the Embassy bombings and the USS Cole Debacle!! At the first opportunity Dubyuh had to make this situation Right...he jumped at it and has been performing quite admirably!!

"Osama bil Clinton is MORE RESPONSIBLE for 9/11/01 than the AmericanTalibanLEFT, IMHO, but both are GUILTY and SHALL BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!!!"

"I absolutely believe that Bill Clinton should be brought to justice for his crimes and that every person who has committed a crime should be brought to justice. No one is above the law. Period."

Good...we shall accentuate those areas wherein we find common ground, my FRiend. But until you come up with more than mere speculation and innuendo from Leftist rags regarding Dubyuh's complicity in 9/11/01...I'll let you tread those steps without me.

FReegards...MUD

"All you are doing in this paragraph is screaming at me."

I wasn't screaming...I just think you are unfairly discounting the primacy of Cold War Strategy is our forming of foreign alliances from the late-40's to the early-90's.

"As I mentioned to you before, I do think that it is misleading to characterize the Cold War as being anti-Communist. The reality was that the US and Communist China were bankrolling and arming insurgencies in Cambodia, Afghanistan, Angola, and other places to fight the client regimes of Communist Russia. So we had "good Communists" and "bad communists" like now we have "good terrorists" from the Royal House of Saud and "bad terrorists" like Saddam. This is nonsense and that's what I will call it."

The Soviet Union was the Evil Empire with nuclear warheads targeted on American cities...the Chi-Coms were but a Third-World Nation with an over-sized but ineffective Army and no threat to the US whatsoever when we assisted them in becoming a counter-balance to the Soviets. If Clinton had not been in control of the Executive Branch from '93-'00, the Chi-Coms would still be relatively harmless, but Clinton's TREASON changed all that.

MUD

The link to the U.S. buildup in Kyrgyzstan is: US preparing for long stay in central Asia

The key to understanding the extension of the Empire into Central Asia, and increasingly into Africa, relates to the dramatic U.S. oil production shortage that is looming by 2006-2008. It is not the the U.S. is about to run out of oil, but that the rate of use will exceed the rate at which the U.S. can pump it out of the ground. The crisis will just continue as U.S. oil discovery currently lags production by an average of 11 years. Meanwhile, the U.S. will have to increasingly compete for oil from other producers as newly industrialized countries, especially China, as their rate of oil use increases.

Sadly, most at FR consider proven oil reserves as a bank account that can be withdrawn upon demand. In truth, the Argentine bank withdrawal restraints are a closer model for U.S. domestic oil production, and world oil production in general!

The Empire is in trouble.

Best wishes.

Mudboy Slim: To my comment: "Looks like Caspian oil operations are at stage two after the Klinton softening up process."

You wrote: "LOL...what blithering nonsense!!"

Stick around you might learn something about what the CFR types refer to as U.S. strategic interests. In that regard Bush and Klinton are on the same page. Shucks, they both even supported the KLA terrorists in Makadonia.

I recommend reading reports from the RAND Corporation and the Heritage Foundation on the Caspian geopolitical situation to get a flavor of what the NWO viewpoint is. Many of us at FR have done our homework - if you want links let me know!

"Stick around you might learn something..."

"member since August 6th, 1999"

LOL...whatever. FRiendly advice, mi amigo...practice some NETiquette if you want to advance yer argument. Did you mistake me fer a Newbie?! I think not, O Arrogant One...

"...the CFR types refer to as U.S. strategic interests."

Goldilucky knows, I'm a proud card-carryin' member of the CFR...so what?!

"In that regard Bush and Klinton are on the same page. Shucks, they both even supported the KLA terrorists in Macedonia."

"They" did nothing, rj...that was Clinton Killing Thousands of Innocents in Kosovo, not Dubyuh, not the CFR, it was William Jefferson Blythe Clinton!!!

"I recommend reading reports from the RAND Corporation and the Heritage Foundation on the Caspian geopolitical situation to get a flavor of what the NWO viewpoint is. Many of us at FR have done our homework - if you want links let me know!"

Dirtboy has been kind enuff to include me in some extremely elucidating threads about that whole subject...and I do find the case to be worthy of further review and--perhaps--condamnation; however, linking it to Dubyuh with the evidence y'all have is extremely specious, IMHO, and curious.

FReegards, all...MUD

BTW...I was kidding about being a CFRer...but I do know how to lay brick and CMU block. Does that make me a Mason?

You took my statement out of context, what I actually said was: "Stick around you might learn something about what the CFR types refer to as U.S. strategic interests.".

If you have seem my posts on Kosovo since June, 1999; you would know that I am highly critical of Klinton. What I referred to is Bush's active support for the KLA in the incident where he deployed troops into Makadonia to rescue his Pentagon covert KLA trainers. As far as I am concerned these retired U.S. military types deserved to go down with the surrounded KLA forces.

It is self evident that the multi-billion dollar KLA drug trade serves as one of the money ends for funding Ben Laden's activities. One should also ask why both Bush and Blair cannot bring themselves to link Ben Laden's group, the Taliban and the KLA narco terrorists? Is the Bush team just flat out stupid, and if not, are they collaborating with the KLA to achieve other objectives?

In closing, you are LOL a lot. Could you add something of substance, with links, to the discussion?

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