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What is a Christian
12/30/01 | Me

Posted on 12/30/2001 7:44:36 PM PST by Sparkvark

Ive noticed alot of threads on FR that mention Christianity. I was wondering, how do you define yourself as a Christian? Does merely professing oneself a Christian make you one? Im curious, how do you perceive the Christian faith?


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To: InvisibleChurch
"believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" Acts 16:31.

Amen Bump

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

61 posted on 12/30/2001 9:52:40 PM PST by swheats
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To: Sparkvark
The true mark of a Christian is to have the Holy Spirit in their hearts.

Unfortunately, it is impossible for us mortals to see this, leading to lots of debate about how to separate "true Christians" from the 90% or so of Americans who claim it as their religion.

One of the identifying marks of a Christian is that they are generally happy, successful people. I do not mean successful in the financial sense of being CEOs of large companies -- many Christians are very poor and some are even bankrupt. I mean successful in the psychological self-actualization sense; these are people who are able to cope with life's up-and-downs; they strive for excellence at whatever they do; they have what Paul describes as an inner tranquility [Paul wrote numerous letters from prison, none of which complained about how unfair his incarceration was].

Verbally identifying "I am a Christian" does not guarantee that you are, but it is rude to doubt someone about this. Having an intellectual belief that God exists is not sufficient; you must also love Him. And the Bible is clear that we show our love for God by following his commands. None of us are perfect; all of us break God's commands (legalistic obedience isn't sufficient; we must follow the spirit of the law with our hearts as well), however true Christians have knowledge of God's forgiveness. He does not require perfection; merely a commitment to improve and acknowledgement of our failures.

Knowledge of the Bible is certainly an admirable trait, but is not absolutely required to be a true Christian. Very many early Christians were unable to read, and for many centuries the Bible was available only in Latin. Contrariwise, a great many atheists have read the Bible cover to cover. However, being a Christian does mean that you acknowledge the Bible as spiritual authority. Different Christians disagree on some interpretations of what the Bible means[especially on things in Genesis and Revelations], but if a clear teaching of the Bible contradicts a Christians personal moral code, the Christian is expected to abide by the Bible's teaching.

Public participation in Church activities is another trait which does not guarantee Christian salvation. Jesus had some of his harshest criticisms for the religious leaders of His day, and especially complained of people who prayed in public for the purpose of being seen praying. In fact, Jesus's advice on prayer is to "Pray in a closet". Christians are to have a personal connection to Deity, and not be a cog in a beaurocratic institution.

Advocacy of moral codes does not indicate Christianity. Certainly the Bible expresses a moral code which Christians should follow, and most Christians belief that life will be better for everyone if even non-Christians follow the behavior prescription and proscriptions in the Bible. However, a great deal of current moral harruanging is not based on the Bible. Many people calling themselves Christians are against all alcohol use, yet Jesus more than once turned water into wine. Contrariwise, Jesus makes it clear that anyone who divorces [for a reason other than adultery] commits adultery when they remarry-- and yet, a great many protestants give the church's blessing to this sin. So many moral codes advocated by self-identified Christians are not Bible-based, and many people other than self-identified Christians advocate various moral codes. However, to be a Christian is to acknowledge that there is sin, that some actions are required and some forbidden [and many others permitted], and that we voluntarily chose to follow God's moral code in preference to our own culture or intuition.

This list has turned more into a "Calling yourself a Christian does not make you one", which gets back to my original point; true Christians are identified -- but not to us-- by having the holy spirit in their hearts.

62 posted on 12/30/2001 9:54:40 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: PFKEY
Once we are saved, we are to repent - that is, turn away from those things that cause us to sin. However, we still are imperfect humans and will do things that aren't Christlike. We still will have consequences to face for our sinning. The Holy Spirit causes us to feel guilt (conviction). The Christian who is sincere will continue to pray for forgiveness and ask God's help in repenting. A sincere Christian will do alot of soul-searching and self-examination. Just because Christians don't advertise and explain their shortcomings daily to the world doesn't mean they are hypocrits. Like someone else on this thread said, if we were perfect, we wouldn't need a savior. A Christian's duty when he sins and hurts another is to make amends with his brother and to ask God for forgiveness and help. We are also to forgive one another as God has forgiven us.

However, forgiveness is a whole other thread - a very misunderstood concept. A topic for a new day when we are all refreshed.

63 posted on 12/30/2001 9:54:51 PM PST by 3catsanadog
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To: old-ager
Right, it's not what I said. And right, some might make incorrect conclusions. But nobody is going to honestly conclude that Christ's suffering and dying because of their own sins makes further sinning a good thing, are they? And Scripture itself explicitly says it's completely wrong to conclude that we should sin more just so grace can abound. But my point here is that the "meat" is never going to be primarily obedience, but rather, forgiveness. I'll say it again: if the "meat" is obedience, we are in trouble.

I see your point and I agree. What I was trying to relay in my definition of "meat" was that this is where we have a role (i.e. a decision, choice, responsibility) to obey the will of God. He through His grace has forgiven me of my sins but my salvation is dependant on my obeying his word. If this is not a true statement then I fail to see why the scriptures tell me what I must do to be saved.

64 posted on 12/30/2001 10:05:05 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: studentintexas
One of the identifying marks of a Christian is that they are generally happy, successful people. I do not mean successful in the financial sense of being CEOs of large companies -- many Christians are very poor and some are even bankrupt. I mean successful in the psychological self-actualization sense

What a horrible load of BS. "Blessed are the poor in spirit". You are spouting a "theology of glory" and what you are advocating DOES usually imply that Christians will make money, be healthy, blah blah. Say, was John the Baptist a successful person by ANY human or psychological standard?

65 posted on 12/30/2001 10:06:12 PM PST by old-ager
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To: 3catsanadog
Amen...
66 posted on 12/30/2001 10:07:23 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: PFKEY
my salvation is dependant on my obeying his word

No, your salvation is dependent on Christ's having obeyed His word perfectly.

67 posted on 12/30/2001 10:15:55 PM PST by old-ager
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To: Sparkvark
Main Entry: 1Chris·tian
Pronunciation: 'kris-ch&n, 'krish-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin christianus, adjective & n., from Greek christianos, from Christos
Date: 1526
1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : DISCIPLE 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
2 : the hero in Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress
68 posted on 12/30/2001 10:16:34 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Sparkvark
A Christian is an individual that accepts Jesus Christ (known as the son of God or God himself) into their life. That's about it!

I believe there is a God, and we humans here on earth call this God different things...

69 posted on 12/30/2001 10:22:56 PM PST by notyourregularhandle
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To: old-ager
What a horrible load of BS. "Blessed are the poor in spirit". You are spouting a "theology of glory" and what you are advocating DOES usually imply that Christians will make money, be healthy, blah blah. Say, was John the Baptist a successful person by ANY human or psychological standard?

John the Baptist was a Jew, and so was Jesus.

That was not a very nice response to the person's opinion, you deliberately misrepresented what she wrote, out of your own spite or what have you. I think you should apologize.

In any case most of the born again Christians I know ARE happier than the unsaved people I know, despite their problems in life. It is the inner joy in looking towards the future with their beloved Saviour that gives them that inner joy others lack. I've seen terminally ill Christians who glow with the love of Jesus.

70 posted on 12/30/2001 10:23:39 PM PST by overseer5
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To: old-ager
No, your salvation is dependent on Christ's having obeyed His word perfectly.

That part of my salvation has been done for me. I had no say in the love God has shown for me. I do have a say in whether I obey His word.

I don't know if we have got stuck on samantics here or what. So, let me ask...Do I go to heaven no matter what I might or might not do?

71 posted on 12/30/2001 10:25:13 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: old-ager
I think what the writer you posted to meant was that some Christians do face suffering as much as the next guy and some seem to have all the stars aligned just right about them, but what they all have is hope. Somehow that idea of hope keeps the Christian from offing him or herself or courageously getting through the suffering. I probably wouldn't call it happiness or success myself, because I've hit some very low points in my walk with Christ and I certainly wasn't happy and sometimes I wanted to die but there was a sense of determination that He would get me through it.

Suffering - another topic for another day.

72 posted on 12/30/2001 10:25:17 PM PST by 3catsanadog
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To: proud2bRC
No offense, but it's not what a dictionary defines as a Christian that can be trusted. It's what the Bible defines as a Christian that you should pay attention to.
73 posted on 12/30/2001 10:26:01 PM PST by overseer5
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To: old-ager
What a horrible load of BS. "Blessed are the poor in spirit". You are spouting a "theology of glory" and what you are advocating DOES usually imply that Christians will make money, be healthy, blah blah. Say, was John the Baptist a successful person by ANY human or psychological standard?

First, I was absolutely clear that I was NOT talking about material or wordly success. What I meant [and I may have done a horrible job of explaining it] is that Christians trust to God to deliver them and are not [or at least should not be] overwhelmed by adverse circumstances. The example of Paul is that here is someone who is on death row. But Paul does not whine about being a victim, nor rail about how corrupt Rome is, nor does he seem to spend much effort on complicated legal maneouvering. My point about Paul is that even in these bad situations, he still acts for the good of the early Church, he still seems happy [and does write of his joy in God]. My point is that instead of taking the attitude of "I've been arrested, I'm a victim, I'm helpless and can't do anything," Paul took the attitude of "I'm looking forward to heaven and I find joy through God; I will continue to profess Christianity and influence the early Church. As far as success goes, I'm sure a great many more people will agree that Paul had a larger influence on history than, say, the particular centurian who arrested him. Which was more successfull?

74 posted on 12/30/2001 10:36:15 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: Sparkvark
Who will be saved?
75 posted on 12/30/2001 10:41:39 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: studentintexas
As far as success goes, I'm sure a great many more people will agree that Paul had a larger influence on history than, say, the particular centurian who arrested him. Which was

Just to preempt another argument, this last part answered the question "Say, was John the Baptist a success" and isn't intended to say that all Christians will be just as famous thousands of years later.

76 posted on 12/30/2001 10:48:00 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: PFKEY
All sins are forgivable except the blasphemy of the holy spirit, this will not be forgiven either now or in the life to come.
77 posted on 12/30/2001 10:57:48 PM PST by soundsolutions
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To: Restorer
hmmm ... ok ... well I think if you look at my reply earlier it gave the Biblical basis for Faith ... I thought you were disputing that ... cool ... I understand what you are saying now ...
78 posted on 12/30/2001 11:00:11 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: notyourregularhandle
Christianity is not a religion (Meaning: man centered), it is a relationship (meaning: God centered) with the true and living God. Man is sadly mistaken to think that he can call God by many other names and still have a relationship with him. Jesus laid it out very plainly when he said, "I am the way, the truth and the Light, and no one comes to the Father except through me".
80 posted on 12/30/2001 11:04:30 PM PST by soundsolutions
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