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To: PFKEY
True enough, I have no hope in heaven if it weren't for the grace of God. However, your response might lead some to think that everyone will go to heaven and that we are free to continue in our sin. I suspect this is not the point you were trying to make. Can you clarify? Please.

Right, it's not what I said. And right, some might make incorrect conclusions. But nobody is going to honestly conclude that Christ's suffering and dying because of their own sins makes further sinning a good thing, are they? And Scripture itself explicitly says it's completely wrong to conclude that we should sin more just so grace can abound. But my point here is that the "meat" is never going to be primarily obedience, but rather, forgiveness. I'll say it again: if the "meat" is obedience, we are in trouble.

55 posted on 12/30/2001 9:42:07 PM PST by old-ager
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To: old-ager
Right, it's not what I said. And right, some might make incorrect conclusions. But nobody is going to honestly conclude that Christ's suffering and dying because of their own sins makes further sinning a good thing, are they? And Scripture itself explicitly says it's completely wrong to conclude that we should sin more just so grace can abound. But my point here is that the "meat" is never going to be primarily obedience, but rather, forgiveness. I'll say it again: if the "meat" is obedience, we are in trouble.

I see your point and I agree. What I was trying to relay in my definition of "meat" was that this is where we have a role (i.e. a decision, choice, responsibility) to obey the will of God. He through His grace has forgiven me of my sins but my salvation is dependant on my obeying his word. If this is not a true statement then I fail to see why the scriptures tell me what I must do to be saved.

64 posted on 12/30/2001 10:05:05 PM PST by PFKEY
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