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1 posted on 12/31/2001 10:00:09 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Enough.

Kwanzaa is a pagan, racist, charade founded by a man in 1966 who tortured 2 women.

If idiocy draws some unfortunates to it, that is their problem.

2 posted on 12/31/2001 10:02:38 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Valin
Hell, let's just all take the entire winter off. There are just too many holidays we can celebrate, and besides, it's cold outside.
3 posted on 12/31/2001 10:03:43 AM PST by willieroe
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To: Valin
Celebrating the African-American heritage is not really a religious holiday.

But it doesn't celebrate the heritage of most African-Americans in this country who did not come from W.Africa (Swahili), and had no knowledge of corn (used in the celebration). There are just too many things about Kwanzaa that don't make sense if it were to truly reflect "African-American heritage."

4 posted on 12/31/2001 10:05:03 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Valin
Kwanzaa is no different than:

Valentines day, Mothers Day, Secretary's Day, Grandparents Day, Earth Day . . . I could go on.

It has nothing to do with religion, so why all the fear? Is Mother's day a Pagen holiday?

5 posted on 12/31/2001 10:05:40 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: Valin
It's as if they need to hold up a huge neon sign saying "Look at us! We are gullible fools!"
6 posted on 12/31/2001 10:05:55 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: Valin
Besides, isn't "Black History Month" designed to celebrate African-American heritage?
8 posted on 12/31/2001 10:06:56 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Valin
Of course, this was the rationale behind 'inventing' this bogus 'holiday' to begin with...
9 posted on 12/31/2001 10:07:57 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Valin
Two of the seven principles of Kwanzaa:

collective work and responsibility
cooperative economics

And here, in a nutshell, we have the cultural and ideological germ of a great deal of the poverty and degradation in today's America.

15 posted on 12/31/2001 10:11:49 AM PST by silmaril
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To: Valin
From our local celebration on the principle of "unity":
"Sandra Williams Bush told an African story about how all the organs of the body rose up against the stomach, which was receiving all of the food and enjoyed the title of president. They complained to the Creator, only to be warned, "Be careful what you say." After fasting for two days, all the organs realized that the body couldn't function without the stomach, which they then decided to promote to king." LINK

What lesson should I learn from this?

19 posted on 12/31/2001 10:15:54 AM PST by Marianne
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To: Valin
Christmas is the celebration of the miraculous birth of Jesus Christ. While there are many valid ethnic celebrations held around that same time, I see them merely as more proof of the impact Christ has had on all of mankind... as the Bible predicted He would.

Just like when people claim to be atheist, or agnostic, or Hindu, or Muslim, etc., yet celebrate New Year with Christians...

...all of whom know what it was that happened 2002 years ago.

The one event so miraculous that it split time in two, changed this world we live in forever, and which is honored by all, whether they know it or not. Happy New Year.

29 posted on 12/31/2001 10:22:06 AM PST by Dynamo
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To: Valin
Can't miss a Kwanzaa-related thread to post my KounterKwanzaa Link List.

Kwanzaa Links

We Wish You A Phony Festival - Report (Canadian Magazine)

So This Is Kwanzaa - Newsmax.com

Ann Coulter on Kwanzaa - TownHall.Com

Mona Charen on Kwanzaa - Jewish World Review

Tony Snow on Kwanzaa - Jewish World Review

The TRUE Spirit of Kwanzaa - The New American magazine

The Story of Kwanzaa - The Dartmouth Review

The Truth About Kwanzaa - A Christian Viewpoint

A Momentary Loss of Reason - Binghamton Review

Kwanzaa & The White House - NY Post Editorial, 1997 (Freerepublic.com thread)

Michael Savage on Kwanzaa - NewsMax

Happy Kwanzaa - FrontPage Magazine - Link may not work, if it doesn't click here for the Free Republic thread.

I'm Dreaming of a White Kwanzaa - LewRockwell.com - Link may not work, if it doesn't click here for the Free Republic thread.

Letter to Editor - Ypsilanti Courier

What is Kwanzaa? - File Passed Around On Internet About Kwanzaa

Happy Kwanzaa by Patrick S. Poole

Ron Everett (aka. Maulana Karenga) / US Links

The Black Panthers and the Police: A Pattern of Genocide? - NEW YORKER MAGAZINE - February 13, 1971 (Includes great detail of the murders committed by Karenga's thugs)

PBS Interview with black radical Ron Everett (aka Maulana Karenga) - the guy that invented Kwanzaa 5 years before being sent to prison for torturing two young women

Ron Karenga - Dialog from the Black Radical Congress - December 1999

US, the organization the Ron Everett founded in 1965, the organization that murdered 5 members of the rival Black Panther Party, is back - well it was back in 1995, but they haven't updated their website since then. Their website is here.

Graphic used on Official Kwanzaa Website for the Nguzo Saba (The Seven Principles of Kwanzaa)
Graphic used on Official US Website (US is Karenga's Gang that Murdered Members and Leaders of Rival Gangs) as their logo

Afrocentrism Links

Clarence Walker Encourages Black Americans to Discard Afrocentrism

Pride & Prejudice by Dinesh D'Souza, Vol. 6, American Enterprise, 09-01-1995, pp 51 (Google Cached Version)

Fighting Fiction With Fact by Mary Lefkowitz (Google Cached Version)

Fallacies of Afrocentrism - Grover Furr

The Skeptics Dictionary - Afrocentrism

TEACHING REVERSE RACISM A strange doctrine of black superiority is finding its way into schools and colleges

The Skeptics Dictionary Review of Mary Lefkowitz' Book "Not Out Of Africa"

Review of Mary Lefkowitz' Books on Afrocentrism Myth "Not Out Of Africa" and "Black Athena Revisited"

The Trap of Ethnic Identity - New York Times - Jan 1997

AFROCENTRISM The Argument We're Really Having


34 posted on 12/31/2001 10:28:25 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Valin
Can't miss a Kwanzaa-related thread to post my KounterKwanzaa Link List.

Kwanzaa Links

We Wish You A Phony Festival - Report (Canadian Magazine)

So This Is Kwanzaa - Newsmax.com

Ann Coulter on Kwanzaa - TownHall.Com

Mona Charen on Kwanzaa - Jewish World Review

Tony Snow on Kwanzaa - Jewish World Review

The TRUE Spirit of Kwanzaa - The New American magazine

The Story of Kwanzaa - The Dartmouth Review

The Truth About Kwanzaa - A Christian Viewpoint

A Momentary Loss of Reason - Binghamton Review

Kwanzaa & The White House - NY Post Editorial, 1997 (Freerepublic.com thread)

Michael Savage on Kwanzaa - NewsMax

Happy Kwanzaa - FrontPage Magazine - Link may not work, if it doesn't click here for the Free Republic thread.

I'm Dreaming of a White Kwanzaa - LewRockwell.com - Link may not work, if it doesn't click here for the Free Republic thread.

Letter to Editor - Ypsilanti Courier

What is Kwanzaa? - File Passed Around On Internet About Kwanzaa

Happy Kwanzaa by Patrick S. Poole

Ron Everett (aka. Maulana Karenga) / US Links

The Black Panthers and the Police: A Pattern of Genocide? - NEW YORKER MAGAZINE - February 13, 1971 (Includes great detail of the murders committed by Karenga's thugs)

PBS Interview with black radical Ron Everett (aka Maulana Karenga) - the guy that invented Kwanzaa 5 years before being sent to prison for torturing two young women

Ron Karenga - Dialog from the Black Radical Congress - December 1999

US, the organization the Ron Everett founded in 1965, the organization that murdered 5 members of the rival Black Panther Party, is back - well it was back in 1995, but they haven't updated their website since then. Their website is here.

Graphic used on Official Kwanzaa Website for the Nguzo Saba (The Seven Principles of Kwanzaa)
Graphic used on Official US Website (US is Karenga's Gang that Murdered Members and Leaders of Rival Gangs) as their logo

Afrocentrism Links

Clarence Walker Encourages Black Americans to Discard Afrocentrism

Pride & Prejudice by Dinesh D'Souza, Vol. 6, American Enterprise, 09-01-1995, pp 51 (Google Cached Version)

Fighting Fiction With Fact by Mary Lefkowitz (Google Cached Version)

Fallacies of Afrocentrism - Grover Furr

The Skeptics Dictionary - Afrocentrism

TEACHING REVERSE RACISM A strange doctrine of black superiority is finding its way into schools and colleges

The Skeptics Dictionary Review of Mary Lefkowitz' Book "Not Out Of Africa"

Review of Mary Lefkowitz' Books on Afrocentrism Myth "Not Out Of Africa" and "Black Athena Revisited"

The Trap of Ethnic Identity - New York Times - Jan 1997

AFROCENTRISM The Argument We're Really Having


35 posted on 12/31/2001 10:29:02 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Valin
There is no "quandary" about Kwanzaa and Christmas with those truly informed about Kwanzaa. Here's what Kwanzaa's inventor has to say about Kwanzaa:

Kawaida Theory, Ron Karenga, 1980: Western Religion (ie. Christianity) "denies and diminishes human worth, capacity, potential and achievement. In Christian and Jewish mythology, humans are born in sin, cursed with mythical ancestors who've sinned and brought the wrath of an angry God on every generation's head."

In this same book he calls God and Jesus, "spooks who threaten us if we don't worship them and demand we turn over our destiny and daily lives."

Kwanzaa: Origin, Concepts, Practice, Ron Karenga, 1977: "Kwanzaa is not an imitation [of Christmas], but an alternative [to Christmas], in fact, an oppositional alternative to the spookism, mysticism and non-earth based practices which plague us as a people and encourage our withdrawal from social life rather than our bold confrontation with it."

Continuing from the same book: The holiday "was chosen to give a Black alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and history rather than simply imitate the practice of the dominant society."

Karenga's own words show that there is a diametrical conflict between the two - Christmas and Kwanzaa. And the only Christians who celebrate Kwanzaa are those who have been duped by Karenga, his followers, and the Kwanzaa lapdog media. Because, if they knew the truth about Kwanzaa and its underlying Kawaida theory (religion) they would have nothing to do with it.
41 posted on 12/31/2001 10:58:39 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Valin
For an ongoing, knock-down, drag-out fight of a thread about Kwanzaa go here. It gets better the further to go into the thread.
42 posted on 12/31/2001 11:00:37 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Valin
Celebrating the African-American heritage

An African 'heritage' that includes:

cannibalism
tribal warfare (with associated rape, pillage, murder)
slavery
genocide
starvation
disease
paganism

That's a 'heritage' of which anyone should be proud!

43 posted on 12/31/2001 11:06:27 AM PST by jimkress
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To: Valin
Wine is passed in a goblet known as the Unity cup

Wine? Wine?

Africans brew beer.

White South Africans are known for their wine, however. But wine is not a bantu drink.

Come to think of it, We didn't celebrate Kwanzaa either.

52 posted on 12/31/2001 12:47:26 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Valin
Kwanzaa celebrates the birth of "Kwanzi" the marvelous micturating chimp.
62 posted on 12/31/2001 10:42:04 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: Valin
Just read an Ann Coulter column in which she says the "seven fruits" are the same seven things represented by the seven serpent heads on the Symbionese Liberation Army design. Ann also says the guy who cobbled up this thing was involved with a group that called itself "United Slaves". Interesting stuff...
63 posted on 12/31/2001 10:42:27 PM PST by 185JHP
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