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To: Jack Barbara
I suppose the fourth of July is pagan as well?

Jack Barbara,

Are you able to discern between a phoney ritual that purposely situates itself smack in the middle of Christianity's holiest time of the year (Christmas), which celebrates the birth of the Son of God--to Kwanzaa, a made-up celebration--and then attempt to toss into the mix the anniversary of the birth of a nation (the 4th of July) as being in the same context here?. Celebrants of the 4th of July never sold it as an alternative to a holy religious day as Kwanzaa does to Christmas.

Seriously, are you unable to grasp this distinction? Or was your analogy just poorly thought out before you typed it?

53 posted on 12/31/2001 1:11:34 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Many years of lurking here have shown me that there are posters on this site who prefer illogical gainsaying to thoughtful and meaningful discussion.

You may have found one such...

54 posted on 12/31/2001 1:44:27 PM PST by Dynamo
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To: SkyPilot
Pagan defined by Merriam-Webster:

Date: 14th century

1 : HEATHEN 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)

2 : one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person

I see nothing about Kwanza which could be termed pagan. That it is celebrated near Christmas is a particularly weak argument since the historic roots of Christmas itself are pagan, while Kwanza is clearly new and not tied to the worship of any God(s).

Why do people feel so compelled to find fault in the trivialities of other people's lives? Every holiday had a beginning that can be tied to some person who "invented" it and could eventually be smeared by the FR slime gangs.

I find it hard to believe that Jesus would be threatened by Kwanza's proximity to his birthday.

57 posted on 12/31/2001 5:22:12 PM PST by Jack Barbara
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To: SkyPilot
a phoney ritual that purposely situates itself smack in the middle of Christianity's holiest time of the year (Christmas)

What is the difference between a genuine ritual and a phoney ritual?

Kwanza begins the day after Christmas. It is not situated smack in the middle.

Christianity's holiest time of year is Easter. I know of no Christian sect that would not assert this well known value.

58 posted on 12/31/2001 5:35:19 PM PST by Jack Barbara
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