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To: garbanzo
I love white people claiming victimhood. In a few years I think you personally will be claiming that you were enslaved and harmed by Jim Crow.

With all due respect Gonzo, your amazingly ill informed on this topic.  This nation is being overrun by millions upon millions of people who do not belong here.  They are forbidden by law to do what they are doing.  Conservatives have always believed in following the laws of our nation.  Why don't you?

Tens, perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars worth of welfare, medical care, schooling and other services are being provided to these criminals and their children each year gratis.  Property values and vast areas of our cities are being turned into slums.  Very nice upscale neighborhoods until a few years ago, are now dumps.

Our election system itself is in jeopardy due to the influx of people who care not for our laws, our property or our nation.  They have made it clear that they are willing and able to vote for the highest bidder.  Whoever promises the most to them, they will recieve their votes.

If you wish to adopt a dilusional mindset to ignore that this comes at the expense of the majority race in our nation, so be it.  Just don't expect the rest of us to bury our heads in the sand.  Who pays the most taxes?  And who receives the most free services, services even those who pay the taxes can't get.

As for the biology of race - let's go to the facts. Humans and chimpanzee genomes differ by about 1%. The genetic diversity between humans less vastly less than the
genetic diversity between chimpanzees. There is no genomic evidence of clustering that would indicate that race, as we know it, represents a fundamental biological
distinction. That pretty much settles the question.

This is a bunk paragraph.  Those who do not control the reins of government are left to suffer the effects of that government without representation.  Fifty million Chinese died under Mao.  At least 20 million died under Stalin.  Millions died at the hands of Hitler.  No matter if there is any genetic difference, the fact is that humans do descriminate and always will.  Therefore it is not unreasonable for whites to desire a nation where they can practice self-determination.  And that right is being taken away.  You can wax rhapsodic about the whining whites all you like.  The fact is, there is cause for legitimate concern.  And you not being a member of the white race are not qualified to tell us what is reasonable or not when it comes it issues that affect us.  We have a right to address those issues, whether you like it or not.

Humanity would be much better served by creating societies where the rights of all people are protected rather than dividing ourselves up by bogus criteria.

I consider bogus criterea to be a situation where criminals and their activities are consistently ignored, so that false issues can be emphasized and those who advocate adherance to the laws of our nation can be trashed for being racists.  If this isn't a great example of your mindset, I don't know what is.

873 posted on 01/02/2002 5:02:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
No matter if there is any genetic difference, the fact is that humans do descriminate and always will.

Well humans will always commit acts of murder, rape, and theivery. This doesn't mean societies should throw up their hands at this but rather that we should at least try our best to discourage those tendancies.

You simply can't wave away biology when it doesn't suit you. Discrimination on the basis of race makes as much sense as discrimination on adrendal production or variants in lipid transport proteins in cell walls. From a biological standpoint it simply isn't meaningful.

From a political standpoint it is power - and it is the crassest form of power there is ranking right up there with religion.

914 posted on 01/02/2002 6:16:42 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks to you for your #873 to the Gonzo fool. You are succint but are still very thorough. The next question, IMHO, is will this thread ( and the constant deletion by the forum secret police ) cause many to abandon FR? Surely, many now think less of a 'not free' republic. I have pondered ( for the last week or two ) a small monthly stipend, via credit card, to pay for the space I have consumed & the agrevation I have caused the 'moderator'. Now I wonder if I am in the wrong place entirely. Fear of comments that may offend is a strange fear, indeed. One wonders who or what the moderator fears, so much as to delete people & the things they say. The FR has been very useful for finding the headlines & stories of interest but I shall look around the web some more.
1,040 posted on 01/03/2002 7:27:09 AM PST by TEXICAN II
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