Posted on 01/09/2002 3:39:27 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
He wouldn't, absent good reason. That's why this argument that a pilot can kick off anyone for any reason is foolish (even if technically true). If someone wants to make an argument, state that the agent may have deserved it based on his actions.
For me this has nothing to do with the guys race. It has to do with an angry LEO and whether the pilot has to put up with that and should the pilot err on the side of safety or not.
This alone showed he was arrogant. I can't tell you how many times your hear that stupid recording not to leave your luggage unattended.
Plus the SS agent could have made it simple for everyone by stowing his gun. It was his arrogance that he be allowed to carry it that caused the problems. When it became an issue he should have just stowed it.
I was delayed a few months ago, and the pilot allowed passengers to go back into the concourse while leaving their carry ons aboard the plane.
The agent is legally entitled to carry the gun at all times, including aboard airliners.
What I chuckle about is Bush's remarks on Saturday that on 9/11, when he made his decision to go after the perpetrators, he didn't "talk to any lawyers" -- a remark designed to appeal to conservatives, but one that's being contradicted by his support of this agent. Double-speak?
IMO, and many others, the pilot will do what he's thinks is best. He should set the rules, not PC advocates unconcerned what the safety risks are.
Essentially it's a private interprise and the Government should not be involved. Complaints are better handled by the enterprise involved and free market choices. Across the board the Government should get out of the business of micro managing schools, restaurants, etc., with stupid law.
IMO, and many others, the pilot will do what he's thinks is best. He should set the rules, not PC advocates unconcerned what the safety risks are.
Essentially it's a private interprise and the Government should not be involved. Complaints are better handled by the enterprise involved and free market choices. Across the board the Government should get out of the business of micro managing schools, restaurants, etc., with stupid law.
IMO, and many others, the pilot will do what he's thinks is best. He should set the rules, not PC advocates unconcerned what the safety risks are.
Essentially it's a private interprise and the Government should not be involved. Complaints are better handled by the enterprise involved and free market choices. Across the board the Government should get out of the business of micro managing schools, restaurants, etc., with stupid law.
I agree wholeheartedly. And that includes bailouts.
But even the agent is required to have the forms filed in advance, ussually a full day. It was the changing of planes that caused the problems. If under the circumstances he was bounced from another planned flight where the paper work would have been filed in advance and was attempting to board another flight at the last minute you would think he could have been more accomodating by suggesting he stow his gun instead of filling out more paperwork.
The fact that he didn;t indicates to me he was arrogant.
Key difference. You were ALLOWED to leave your luggage. This guy ASSUMED it was ok. You and the passengers were following instructions. This SS agent wasn't following instructions. He was arrogant, you were not.
He isn't supporting the agent. Saying he "would be surprised if" is like saying he was a good guy when accepting his resignation. If he were really supporting the agent his language would be much stronger.
You're twisting the facts! The agent was cleared by airport security, had already been welcomed by one pilot and presented himself to the 2nd flight crew and captain as an SS agent. The 2nd pilot was an arrogant nitwit. Bush's character reference for the guy is here on this thread. What part of that character reference indicates the guy is a load mouth punk like AA claims?
Can't believe you haven't been flamed on this yet. You ask 'why not go to CAIR?. My question for you is 'why go to CAIR. What exactly is this man's complaint? That he was subjected to the same treatment as the rest of the flying public? He could learn from Dingle's behavior.
So you'll be bowing out?
As far as the getting to the truth of the matter -- which is what most of us have been concerned with, here is a remark from Bush, "I wasn't there, so it's hard for me to comment on something which I did not see."
Hopefully you aren't commiting the non-sequitur that since President Bush generally supports an employee that somehow it makes the agent's "story" credible?
Airport security cleared the terrorists on 9/11 also. The second pilot has no idea if the agent was the same person that another pilot cleared.
This pilot was already making an accomdation for the plane that got bumped and his main job is to fly the plane safely, not to clear passengers. The pilot should have just bounced him at the outset and said he didn't have time to clear him if he insisted on carrying his gun and not just stowing it with his luggage.
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