Posted on 01/16/2002 12:02:36 PM PST by Jean S
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How are we even going to get those people to take the vaccine, and are they going to force me to take it, too?
The question should not be what HIV causes, but what causes AIDS. So in essence I will provide a (relatively) brief response to both. :) Keep in mind that this is a rather broad response and for the sake of brevity will try not to delve into alot of detailed facets of the scientific details and tangents.
According to mainstream AIDS research, about a week after "HIV infection" the body goes through mild flu like symptoms. Then the body develops HIV antibodies. What are antibodies for? Neutralizing antigens, in this case the antibodies would prevent HIV from remaining active in the body. There are some viruses (e.g. Herpesviruses) which can remain in the body latently and be occassionaly reactivated, but HIV researchers claim that HIV is not a latent virus and is instead HIGHLY active even in healthy people.
Viruses (and other contagious pathogens) are only able to cause damage in the body when the body is unable to limit the infection. Some pathogens are so dangerous that if someone is infected, their body might not create the antibodies soon enough or quickly enough to combat the infection which is why vaccines are developed. Vaccines cause the body to develop antibodies to a disease before it enters the body, thus providing a high level of immunity to the disease if later contact occurs. Antibodies are, basically, the body's natural vaccination, and indicate an immune system that is functioning properly.
There would be no difference between antibodies made from actual HIV infection or from an HIV vaccine. Either way, as long as a person has a healthy immune system (i.e., have not developed immune deficiency) the antibodies to HIV would prevent HIV from causing any more harm. Yet we are told that people with HIV antibodies are an indication that they WILL get sick from HIV infection (years later), unless the antibodies are a result of vaccination. This is but one of the faulty reasonings within HIV/AIDS research.
Instead, HIV/AIDS researchers unquestioningly go along with the dubious theories (because they erroneously believe they have been proven) that HIV somehow remains active and replicates for years (without any kind of measurable viral activity) in spite of the antibodies and the other immune defenses of the body.
There are several different theories of what actually causes AIDS, but the theory that has the most conclusive evidence is from retrovirologist Dr. Peter Duesberg.
Before providing links, let me give you a little background on Duesberg.
Peter H. Duesberg, PhD, is a professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California, Berkeley. In his previous works, he demonstrated that influenza virus has a segmented genome, explaining its unique ability to form recombinants by reassortment of subgenomic segments. He also isolated the first cancer gene through his work on retroviruses, and mapped the genetic structure of retroviruses.
On the basis of his experience with retroviruses, Duesberg has challenged the virus-AIDS hypothesis in the pages of Cancer Research, The Lancet, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, Genetica, Journal of AIDS, AIDS Forschung, Biomed. & Pharmacother., New Engl. J. Med., Chemical and Engineering News, Naturwissenschaften, Research in Immunology , Pharmacology & Therapeutics and the British Medical Journal. He has instead proposed the hypothesis that the various AIDS diseases are brought on by the long-term consumption of recreational drugs and anti-HIV drugs, such as the DNA chain terminator AZT, which is prescribed to prevent or treat AIDS.
You can find his website at Duesberg.com. A good place to start is the in depth paper, The AIDS Dilemma: drug diseases blamed on a passenger virus by Duesberg and Dr. David Rasnick (who earns his living as a designer of protease inhibitors, the class of substances touted as the latest anti-AIDS miracle drug). Duesberg has published earlier papers on the subject and I highly recommend reading AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Noncontagious Risk Factors .
For an in depth analysis of the differences between American/European AIDS and African AIDS, I recommend reading THE AFRICAN AIDS EPIDEMIC: NEW AND CONTAGIOUS - OR - OLD UNDER A NEW NAME? from his presentation to the South African AIDS Panel which has called for a review of HIV and AIDS research.
There are other dissident scientists with points of view about HIV and AIDS, and some of the more interesting scientific papers can be found through links from AIDS Reality Check or from Virus Myth.
Why? Why?
I can't type nor link fast enough.
The short version of current thought...
HIV is a virus. AIDS is a disease that appears to be linked to the presence of HIV.
There is evidence that AIDS does not develop without co-infection, possibly with EBV and/or other viruses.
Has it ever occured to them that the monkey that died had some real disease and the death had nothing to do with HIV. If HIV caused the death of one monkey then ALL eight monkies would have become sick or at least several of them. This is proof that HIV does NOT cause immune suppression (AIDS).
Funny, of the 72 original cases of AIDS that Gallo worked with, the presence of HIV was detected in only 26 of Gallo’s 72 AIDS patients, or barely a third (36%) (reference 1 below). And, in case you think things have improved, I refer you to the most recent study dealing specifically with the issue of correlation, an international cooperative study reported by the World Health Organization in 1994 (2). In this study, HIV isolation from patients was detected using a single protein, p24, in culture fluids using a single antibody. Not only is p24 not specific for HIV (3,4), but the success rate in the study was a mere 37%, not significantly better than Gallo's figures a decade earlier. HIV is neither necessary nor sufficient to cause AIDS.
1. Gallo, et al. Frequent Detection and Isolation of Cytopathic Retroviruses (HTLV-III) from Patients with AIDS and at Risk for AIDS. Science 1984;224:500-502
2. WHO, 1994 HIV type 1 variation in World Health Organization-sponsored vaccine evaluation sites: genetic screening, sequence analysis, and preliminary biological characterization of selected viral strains in AIDS Res. Hum. Retroviruses 10:1327-134
3. Agbalika et al., 1992. False-positive HIV antigens related to emergence of a 25-30kD proteins detected in organ recipients. AIDS 6:959-962
4. Mortimer et al., 1992. Towards error free HIV diagnosis: notes on laboratory practice. Pub. Health Lab. Service Micrbiol. Digest 9:61-64.
Factors Known to Cause False Positive HIV Antibody Test Results
STOP SCREWING AROUND
AND
STOP AIDS
I know it's considered un-PC but it is the only effective method for controling STD's.
AIDS is a scam that makes billions for drugs companies and gay aids charities.
SMASH THE AIDS MYTH NOW!
Probably a flu.
The idea that HIV is not causing AIDS is not tinfoil at all.
The idea was developed by Peter Duesberg, a member of the National Academy of Sciences for his pioneering work on retroviruses.
A lot of scientists, including Nobel Prize winners Kerry Mullis and Wally Golbert either agree or think there is compelling reason to take it seriously.
It has been debated in the pages of Science magazine and Nature, the two most prestigious scientific journals in the world.
HIV may cause AIDS and those who think it doesn't may be 100% wrong, but it is definitely not a tinfoil idea.
AIDS is much too politicized and too emotional -- and too much money is involved. It makes for an unproductive environment to openly study AIDS.
I think that lifestyle plays as much a role as AZT. People were dying of AIDS before AZT was prescribed.
Homosexuals got Kaposi's Sarcoma and IV drug users got a pneumonia. The different diseases in the different groups indicate something associated with common practices within the groups.
AZT and the other toxic drugs just added to the list possible unhealthy things being done to their bodies.
That's like trying to fix a leak in a strainer by drilling holes in it.
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