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Towards a Lasting Middle East Peace
12/11/2001 | By: Rabbi Yisroel D. Weiss of Neturei Karta International

Posted on 01/20/2002 8:45:33 AM PST by Demidog

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A remarkable speech.
1 posted on 01/20/2002 8:45:33 AM PST by Demidog
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To: veronica;dennisw;Lazamataz;Lent;monkeyshine;Sabramerican;tex-oma;MadameAxe;OWK;sneakypete;
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2 posted on 01/20/2002 8:47:38 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Sabertooth
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3 posted on 01/20/2002 8:48:03 AM PST by Demidog
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To: alouette,nix2,veronica
You forgot the barf alert....Do you know what this group is demidog??
4 posted on 01/20/2002 8:50:22 AM PST by College Repub
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To: Demidog
LOL...Rabbi Weiss is Louis Farrakhan's favorite Rabbi:
..."But the speech wasn't Farrakhan's biggest problem. The biggest obstacle to his effort to recast the Nation as mainstream, unprejudiced, and philo-Semitic came from an unlikely source: Jews. At this year's convention, Farrakhan proudly unveiled a new weapon meant to finally vanquish the charges of anti-Semitism that have dogged him for so long. He flew in, from Jerusalem and Brooklyn, several ultraorthodox rabbis from the Neturei Karta sect to vouch for his newfound appreciation of the Jewish people. But Farrakhan's Jews didn't quite seem to appreciate the Jewish people much themselves. In fact, the rabbis were a little behind the times. They hadn't come to support the new Farrakhan; they had come because they liked the old Farrakhan.

Neturei Karta, which believes that Zionism violates Jewish law, has a long history of backing political figures precisely because they denounce the Jewish state; Yasir Arafat has been an ally since the 1970s. The group has even called the Holocaust God's punishment for the Jewish settlement of Palestine. So, instead of playing up Farrakhan's newfound tolerance, Rabbi David Weiss told the United Center crowd that Israel was an "abomination of God." Bellowed Weiss, "We apologize for the chutzpah, the nerve of the Zionist leaders who attack the honorable Minister Farrakhan. All those who have called you an anti-Semite, let them be shamed.... All those who say they are Jews who speak ill of Mr. Farrakhan are not Jews." The old Louis Farrakhan couldn't have said it better himself."

http://www.thenewrepublic.com/031300/pollack031300.html
5 posted on 01/20/2002 8:54:29 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: Demidog
Neturei Karta - Jews United Against Zionism....

LOL.

How typical that you would use the few anti-Zionist Jews as useful idiots for your cause. How pathetic.... Kinda like me posting material from Christians who do not believe Jesus never existed.

There are such folks you know. Try a Christian Zionist website. Now those folks are to be admired.

6 posted on 01/20/2002 8:54:44 AM PST by veronica
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To: Demidog
There are I’m sure some skeptics here in the audience who feel that a Palestinian state would represent a threat to the Jewish people. My friends, I have been there time and time again as Neturei Karta International has visited Palestinian and Islamic organizations and I have been greeted with extraordinary warmth and brotherly concern.

Treacherous liars of a feather stick together.


7 posted on 01/20/2002 8:55:33 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: College Repub
What specifically about what he says is untrue? Aren't you Jewish too? So what part of his speech do you say is incorrect from the perspective of the Torah?
8 posted on 01/20/2002 8:58:00 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Remarkable? Only in its stupidity.

The past 50 years have been a golden age, a renaissance for Jews. They have a haven and a place to live in freedom, and not a some barely tolerated minority. They are not subject to the whims of some king or dictator, but now can chart their own destiny in their own liberated homeland.

And this man wants to go back to living under the thumb of the Muslims? Pay the dhimmi tax and hope his children don't "offend" the neighbors so much that they are killed without recourse or retaliation? He's nuts. Of course the Muslims tell him how much they love him. Doesn't a mugger like someone that looks like an easy mark as opposed to someone prepared to defend themself?

He sounds exactly like the people that said "better we should have lived as slaves in Egypt than left to wander and die in the desert". He doesn't deserve freedom or safety.

9 posted on 01/20/2002 8:58:58 AM PST by newwahoo
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So you get to disregard what he says simply because he has met with Iran? That smacks of bigotry. Why shouldn't I come to such a conclusion?
10 posted on 01/20/2002 8:59:06 AM PST by Demidog
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To: newwahoo
You seem to ignore the main thrust of his speech and rather than attack his premise, are attacking his conclusions. What about his premise do you think is false?
11 posted on 01/20/2002 9:00:47 AM PST by Demidog
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To: veronica
Kinda like me posting material from Christians who do not believe Jesus never existed.

Not in the slightest.

12 posted on 01/20/2002 9:01:57 AM PST by Demidog
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To: vrwc54
Neturei Karta, which believes that Zionism violates Jewish law

And what about this belief is untrue?

13 posted on 01/20/2002 9:03:29 AM PST by Demidog
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The first Jewish settlers who came to Palestine with the intention of establishing a sovereign Jewish state there arrived towards the end of the nineteenth century.

...With the permission of the ruling Turks, where they met up with Jewish communities that had been there for thousands of years....

Where they also employed itinerant Arabs from throughout the Middle East to work on those very settlements. These Arabs without Historical roots in the Levant are the progenitors of the bulk of the so-called "Palestinian people" today.

Palestinian nationalism – then generally subsumed under the title Arab nationalism but soon to assume its more particularistic title – began to flourish at about the same time.

No, Arab Jew hatred, which later metastasized as the fraudulent movement of "Palestinian nationalism" didn't gain momentum until after Turkish rule was broken by the British toward the end of WWI.

(((ping))))


14 posted on 01/20/2002 9:04:21 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Demidog
So you get to disregard what he says simply because he has met with Iran? That smacks of bigotry. Why shouldn't I come to such a conclusion?

Because it smacks of reality. Iran wants the elimination of Israel. So does this rabbi.

Why was the American Tokyo Rose welcomed by Japan in WWII? Because she was a treacherous liar and served the needs of our enemies.

And so it goes with this lying rabbi and Iran, whose government is a terrorist-sponsor, blood enemy of Israel.


15 posted on 01/20/2002 9:09:21 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Iran wants the elimination of Israel. So does this rabbi.

And if it was merely a hatred of Jews that was the motivation behind it, there would be no Jewish Iranians (clearly there are as this rabbi went to speak to them and was welcomed by Iran).

What of his point that the policies of political Zionism is a violation of the Judaic Law?

16 posted on 01/20/2002 9:12:11 AM PST by Demidog
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CHICAGO -- Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, in an attempt to show reconciliation with other groups, has put an anti-Zionist fringe group on center stage.

In a press conference in Chicago Monday, Rabbi David Weiss, of the Neturei Karta group, praised Farrakhan as a man dedicated to "the bettering of mankind" and said that until the Zionist movement, Jews had always lived in peace with their neighbors.

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk000303/usfarrakhan.shtml

17 posted on 01/20/2002 9:13:37 AM PST by l33t
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To: l33t
See #5...But maybe this poster is a Farrakhan fan, too.
18 posted on 01/20/2002 9:16:29 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: Demidog
I hate these "even handed" things. Lest set the record straight--

Fact one Israelis want to be left alone to live in peace

Fact two Palestinains want to kill and wipe out Israelis

Fact three all violence that occurs is premised upon these facts--
fact 3A) When Palestinains attack Israelis it is unprovoked
fact 3B) When Israelis attack it is in retaliation for Palestinian's unsolicited attacks.

Israel should do one of two things--

1) Every time a Palestinian attacks they should carpet bomb 1000 Palestinain homes. At some point the cost will appear too great or they will run out of suicided bombers.

OR

2) The Israelies should impose a "peace settlement" of their own. Give the Palestinians a "state" by parting with as much land as they feel they can safely part with. Seal the borders and warn that any hostile action by any members of this "state" will be viewed as an act of war and dealt with accordingly.

Israel shouldn't be forced to put up with Palestinains any more than we should be forced to put up with Al Qaeda.

19 posted on 01/20/2002 9:17:34 AM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: Demidog
A Jewish Ramsey Clark.

Demidog, explain to me how you know that his view is the correct one?

Back in the 70's on the then Israeli 50 shekel note there was a picture of Theodor Hertzl. I asked one of the Neturei Karta leaders if he would have anything to do with Hertzl? He spit and said,"G-d forbid!" I asked him if he could change a hundred pound bill. He whipped out a fifty, two twenties, and a ten. I said to him, I see you have no problem with Hertzl when he's in your pocket. BTW- this same "Rabbi" sent King Hussein a wedding present and was declared Jordan's Minister to the Jews.

20 posted on 01/20/2002 9:18:23 AM PST by rebdov
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