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Discord over King Day event: Jewish groups worry of misrepresentation
Seattle Times ^ | 1/20/02 | Janet Tu

Posted on 01/20/2002 11:00:02 AM PST by Silvertip

The Martin Luther King Jr. Day event at a local shopping mall was meant to be a pleasant community celebration of diversity. Instead, the plan has unleashed a religious conflict that dates back thousands of years.

Several local Jews and Jewish groups are upset that the city of Bellevue invited Newcastle-based Beit Tikvah Messianic Congregation to perform Israeli and Jewish songs and dances at the city-sponsored celebration tomorrow at Crossroads Shopping Center.

They contend that since Beit Tikvah is the only group performing exclusively Jewish and Israeli pieces, that the audience will see it as representing the Jewish community, when they differ on a core belief: whether Jesus is the Messiah.

"They selected a group to represent our community that is totally offensive to the entire community," said Rick Harkavy, executive director of the American Jewish Committee's Seattle chapter. "We're not asking to exclude other groups. We're saying when asking to represent our community, we do not want a group that our community would object to."

Rabbi Jim Mirel of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue said the move was not a wise one for the city. "It's going to leave bad feelings among the Jewish community in Bellevue. ... This too will pass. But we aren't too happy about it."

City officials, however, say that Beit Tikvah, a 20-year-old congregation with about 200 members, was never meant to represent the Jewish community. And Rabbi Hylan Slobodkin, of Beit Tikvah, says: "They're blowing it out of proportion. We are not pretending to represent the whole Jewish community. That's not even in my thinking."

Most Jews — whether Orthodox, Conservative or Reform — don't consider Messianic Jews to be Jewish, and think that one of their goals is to convert Jews to Christianity.

A core belief of Judaism is that the Messiah has not arrived.

But Messianic Jews believe that Yeshua — the Hebrew name for Jesus — is the Messiah and worship him "in the context of Jewish lifestyle and identity," according to Beit Tikvah's Web site. They do not call themselves Christian in part because of "the baggage (including millennia of anti-Semitism) that goes along with the terminology," Slobodkin said.

The King event, scheduled for noon to 3 p.m. at Crossroads' Market Stage, is intended to celebrate the life and message of King through performances, speakers and displays.

Beit Tikvah was placed on the performers list after the city's cultural-diversity program issued a call for groups to perform at city events throughout the year.

"I said yes because they asked us," Slobodkin said. "It wasn't deeper than that."

Invitations most likely were sent to groups that the coordinator of the city's cultural-diversity program was familiar with, said Colleen O'Grady, a city spokeswoman. No other Jewish group signed up for the King event, she said.

"I would assume his (call for performers) wasn't totally comprehensive," O'Grady said. But "we certainly welcome anybody who would like to come. It wasn't intended to be exclusive."

Other performers this year include a youth theater, a gospel ensemble, a belly dancer and a group performing international music that has some Jewish members opposed to Beit Tikvah's appearance.

After community members began objecting, the city of Bellevue early last week decided that Beit Tikvah should not perform. But it reconsidered later in the week.

"This particular event is about cultural awareness and diversity and entertainment," O'Grady said. "It would be inappropriate for the city to prohibit entertainment based on religious belief."

O'Grady said the experience was new for the city. "We'll probably learn from this in the future how to make these things go a little smoother, more comfortably."

The irony of the conflict is not lost on some.

"Here you've got a small group that feels included and the larger group feeling left out in the cold," said Harry Zeitlin, an Orthodox rabbi in Seattle.

"It's such an ironic thing that a Martin Luther King celebration is turning into such a divisive thing."

Janet I. Tu: jtu@seattletimes.com.


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So much for Seattle's Jewish, liberal "tolerance', 'diversity', and 'multi-culturism'.

Proving yet once again that hypocrisy is the hallmark of the "liberal" and that the definition of 'diversity' is what Seattle Jews say it is.

1 posted on 01/20/2002 11:00:02 AM PST by Silvertip
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To: Silvertip
These people are NOT Jewish. They are Christians calling themselves Jews...
2 posted on 01/20/2002 11:03:05 AM PST by College Repub
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To: Silvertip
These people are NOT Jewish. They are Christians calling themselves Jews...
3 posted on 01/20/2002 11:03:46 AM PST by College Repub
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I was referring to the Seattle Jewish Establishment's intolerance of this messianic group.

Tolerance, diversity, and inclusiveness are what Seattle's Jewish Establishment preaches 24 hours a day - until it applies to something they don't like.

Then they're shown up for the hypocritical cultural marxists they are.

4 posted on 01/20/2002 11:13:29 AM PST by Silvertip
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"We're not asking to exclude other groups. We're saying when asking to represent our community, we do not want a group that our community would object to."

5 posted on 01/20/2002 11:18:10 AM PST by AM2000
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To: College Repub
-"Are you the Judean People's Front?"

_"F*** off!.. We're the People's Front of Judea!"

(from Monty Python's "Life of Brian")

Some people have little to occupy their time!.

6 posted on 01/20/2002 11:21:20 AM PST by Youngblood
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You cut off the essence of the issue and what they're trying to do. "We're not asking to exclude other groups. We're saying when asking to represent our community, we do not want a group that our community would object to."

Just like the ADL, which is undoubetedly involved behind the scenes: Intolerant, and claiming to speak for all Jews "our community"

7 posted on 01/20/2002 11:31:24 AM PST by Silvertip
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It doesn't take a genius to know that Messianic Jews don't represent Jews as a whole. It is not intolerant to say that. It's a lot like.. the Nation of Islam representing Islam. There are very fundamental differences in doctrine..
8 posted on 01/20/2002 11:34:22 AM PST by AM2000
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There's a difference between saying messianic Jews don't represent Jews as a whole and trying to prevent a performance of messianic Jews.

Right now incredible pressure is being put on many folks. The phone lines are burning.

Ten bucks says they won't be able to cancel the performance BUT there will be another presentation, ignoring all registration deadlines and previous scheduling annoucements to represent "TRUE" Seattle Jews..."our community."

9 posted on 01/20/2002 11:44:22 AM PST by Silvertip
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These people are NOT Jewish. They are Christians calling themselves Jews...

Clearly they are not Jews in the religious sense, or the cultural sense. Are they ethnic Jews? Are they the children of Jewish parents?

10 posted on 01/20/2002 12:02:26 PM PST by RJCogburn
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It doesn't matter. Since there is separation of church and state, there is no authority to decide who is what. If you and your friends want to label yourselves "X", go ahead. It doesn't matter whether you believe what other "X's" believe, have the same ancestry as other "X's", or resemble other "X's" in any way.
11 posted on 01/20/2002 12:12:49 PM PST by Lessismore
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So in other words you're saying a person can't be a christian and jewish? I must say I've never understood the logic of that.
12 posted on 01/20/2002 1:27:17 PM PST by Valin
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To: Silvertip
Yet another example of how that particular group known for screaming about "tolerance" and "diversity" is in fact extremely insular, discriminatory, and intolerant.
13 posted on 01/20/2002 1:31:41 PM PST by WackyKat
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Clearly they are not Jews in the religious sense

Well, they do still follow many Jewish rituals, so they are sort of Jews...

14 posted on 01/20/2002 1:39:31 PM PST by xm177e2
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It doesn't matter. Since there is separation of church and state, there is no authority to decide who is what

Oh, I agree, but I was not asking in the legal sense. I can certainly practice the religion of the Apache for example, and call myself Apache, and that is my business, but clearly I am not an ethnic Apache.

15 posted on 01/20/2002 2:33:18 PM PST by RJCogburn
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They are presenting themselves as Jewish religiously but believing in Christ as the messiah. That is *NOT* possible
16 posted on 01/20/2002 2:56:55 PM PST by College Repub
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Many (majority even) are ethnic Jews, but they present themselves as religious Jews that believe in Jesus and that is not possible. THey are (and should call themselves) Christians...
17 posted on 01/20/2002 2:58:07 PM PST by College Repub
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To: College Repub
bump
18 posted on 01/20/2002 3:48:54 PM PST by College Repub
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I thought that one was Jewish because of either:
a) having a Jewish mother, or
b) having converted to Judaism in a rabbinically approved fashion.

I wasn't aware that for case a) a religious belief was important. I thought that matrilineal genetics took priority over belief, giving rise to "secular Jews" (a large part of the Israeli Jewish population), aethist Jews, Buddhist Jews, etc. What's wrong with there being Messianic or even Chrisian Jews, so long as they have Jewish mothers?

19 posted on 01/20/2002 4:56:15 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: Youngblood
"SPLITTERS!!!!!!!!!"
20 posted on 01/20/2002 4:59:26 PM PST by Howlin
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