Why Is Libertarianism Wrong?

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/libertarian.html ^

[Southack]

Thanks.

[Exnihilo]

LOL! He makes specific points about Libertarians that are based in a simple observation of Libertarian rhetoric. I am getting a kick out of this.. I'll be waiting for your refutations.

[UnBlinkingEye]

I think the only reason the other thread was pulled was because of the placement in 'Breaking News'.

[Exnihilo]

Your quote, and your response, have nothing to do with the subject at hand- Libertarians and the points the author makes that Libertarian philosophy is self-contradicting. I have yet to see anyone attempt to rebut his points.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

To: FreedomIsSimple Is that your rebutle to the author's points about Libertarians? I don't care what "side" he's on. His points about the inconsistancies of Libertarianism are exactly right. 23 posted on 2/1/02 11:42 AM Pacific by Exnihilo

No, you are only saying that they are "exactly right" because you hate libertarianism. If I were to rend this essay into the shredded scraps of disassociated illogic which truly compose it (as I could easily do), would you have the mental prowess to rebuild and re-establish this Communists's "exactly right" criticisms? No, of course you wouldn't. You would just stand there drooling, "but libertarianism is bad", committed to your Social Gospel lies of Government Collectivism which are largely responsible for murdering True Christianity in the American Church.

Because Christianity is not truly important to you; Totalitarianism is. And where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

So why should I waste my time?

[Xenalyte]

They definitely are defensive and love to get the last word in. They seem to be out of touch with the reality of how to really make any changes. "Either remove the whole tax code or just forget it". I've also noticed an alarming number of them are mensas. This shows that they are extreme elitists and simply don't want to be involved in a normal party because they can't stand out in a crowd well enough that way.

"Smile when you say that," purred the Mensan-since-age-nine and ex-editor of her chapter's newsletter.

[Noumenon]

No, they'll wait until I type up 16 paragraphs of analysis and pull it in between the preview and post page.

That's why it pays to write your longer comments 'off-line' in a decent HTML editor - then post it...

[Exnihilo]

No, I don't. I selected it for the author's points on Libertarianism. Those points have yet to be refuted, except for someone to say "he's a commie!". That is not an argument.

[gjenkins]

"I don't care what "side" he's on. His points about the inconsistancies of Libertarianism are exactly right."

Personally, I don't think you know what the authors points are. You probably found the longest anti-libertarian article you could find and posted it ... so you can say "What exactly about his points ...".

[biblewonk]

See.

What percentage of Mensas are females?

[NittanyLion]

Did you happen to notice that this article could have been written by a socialist, or is your only concern refuting libertarian positions by any means possible? Truthfully, I've grown tired of the libertarian-statist flame wars on this board, to the point where I avoid these types of threads. But I just wanted to bring to your attention that the points here are certainly not conservative ones - they more closely resemble the ravings of Terry McAuliffe.

[The Green Goblin]

"One world!" is an immensely powerful slogan: it appeals to left and right - even to people who support all kinds of secessionist movements. Again, the libertarian version of global unity, is generally the options-exchange version: global financial trading, absolute free trade, and sometimes free global migration.

In this laughable statement, the author tries to simultaneously accuse libertarians of being glabal statists and free market individualists! Incredible!. First, he sneaks in the psychological baggage of "one world" and then twists the concept to mean " defragmented free market exhchange"!!! What intellectual dishonesty...

[Exnihilo]

No, you are only saying that they are "exactly right" because you hate libertarianism.

So then just refute his points! That's all you have to do! Explain why his specific statements about the contradictory nature of libertarian philosophy is wrong using libertarian philosophy! It should be easy, right?

[steve-b]

I wish you guys would refute his points about Libertarians.

What's to refute? A communist (who craves absolute power) is obviously going to be opposed to a libertarian (who wants to abolish any power that approaches that level). One might as well insist that I "refute" a mugger's stick-up demand before defending my property.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

To: OrthodoxPresbyterian I'm a communist because I post something from someone with a different political view than I have?? Wow.. that's logic for ya! 52 posted on 2/1/02 11:53 AM Pacific by Exnihilo

No, you're a Communist because you find this Communists' views to be so "illuminating".

In fact, they are poorly-composed presumptuous and logically-fallacious drivel.
What, you mean you couldn't tell? Good grief, why not... can you read?

[Exnihilo]

are you blind? He even said it appeals to the left and right. Duhhhhh....

[ArrogantBustard]

Smile when you say that," purred the Mensan-since-age-nine and ex-editor of her chapter's newsletter.

As she demonstrated why some people find "Mensa" and all its works and all its empty promises silly, pretentious, and risible. ROFL!!!

AB

[Exnihilo]

*yawn* Is this the best you people can come up with? "You're a commie!" Get real. I found his points about Libertarians illuminating. You and your friends have yet to refute ANY of his points about Libertarians. You point to his political ideology and then mention other things he says unrelated to Libertarianism. What are you afraid of??

[El Sordo]

The only Mensa members that I've ever met have been females.

I've always found that a bit amusing.

[The Green Goblin]

are you blind? He even said it appeals to the left and right. Duhhhhh....

If "it appeals" to everyone, then why does he use it as an argument to single out libertarians in a negative manner? I'll tell you why---because he's grasping for straws.