Posted on 02/03/2002 9:07:58 AM PST by Sabertooth
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Here's where I see the crux of the Creation vs. Evolution debate, and most appear to miss it: |
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Forget possible transitional forms, stratigraphy, and radiological clocks... at some level, both Creationists and Evolutionists wander back to singularities and have to cope with the issue of spontaneous cause. |
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Creationists say "God."
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Evolutionists say "random spontaneous mutagenic speciation."
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My keyboard is almost gone from tracking all the looney--liberals I have blown away on the FR!
Oh the carnage--waste--shock of it all!
Athlete's foot -- rainbows -- disapearing ink ... One can weap from the joy.
Where has that been observed or demonstrated?
When human lifetimes span 10,000 years maybe we will get to see directly observable evidence of evolution.
Where has the existence of G-d been observed or demonstrated?.
---max
ETERNITY...smoking/non-smoking?
I wanted to say that human evolution can't be over yet because our brains are still too small.
I could "read--understand" you better if you wrote in standard English.
Spontaneous implies no casuation; The two examples that may be useful, e.g., bacterium and immune cells may well be responding to extraneous stimuli, either radiation or foreign material. Their mutigenesis in these circumstances may not be "spontaneous."
Random may not be applicable either. Responding to an environmental stressor may well be a non-random event.
That said, this does not reduce the signifcance of mutagenesis that has the appearance to be both random and spontaneous.
One-by-one ---- science uncovered the facts. One-by-one, all religions 'evolved' into an unprovable faith-based, invisible god [except the comet a few years back](raven).
"science uncovered the facts"(more raven)...???
Pretty funny...using consciousness(science) to deny its intelligence---originator---designer(me)!
Isn't that like having an eye witness at a bank robbery---the bank robber??
[the food for thought is that religion always keeps a step ahead of a science that chips away at religious assumptions](raven)
159 posted on 2/4/02 3:13 AM Pacific by The Raven(maniac)
Chef looney---what a recipe!
Is this like asking a forgerer--counterfeiter to work at the bank--mint...a grand jury of loons!
PC--evolution madness---the bogus/counterfeit is real-tender and the real is trashed--worthless.
What would a title company say when you show them your crayon scribbles--babbles---laugh you outta there with your Brooklyn bridge thesis/deed!
God created---OWNS science...man invented evolution--DENIAL--spontaneous life...matter too?
Would that be like saying your grandparents never existed---you never saw them---believed them.
All because you say--think so?
Evolution is false anti-science/anti-theism--a hoax!
Religion-ideology-culture-history has nothing to do with it---
yeah in a murder case ask the murderer to supply all the evidence to the prosecuter and void out everything else.
Make it all up...LIES/THEFT-fraud
and get your friends--the blind and the deaf-dumb to judge the case--
"evidence"---real science--objectivity--
whole hearted--headed "honesty" by goons-LIARS!
162 posted on 2/4/02 4:26 AM Pacific by f.Christian
Got that a little backwards. "Speciation" is merely a classification which we have chosen to impose to help us sort "like" and successfully procreative organisms a la Linneus. All "species" that could have possibly been, existed in the original Creation. Not all of those "species" exist now, due to their extinctions throughout history (e.g., most dinosaurs).
For evolutionary processes, "random" does not mean that mutational events all occur with equal probability. Genomic mutational "hotspots" and epigenetic (environmentally) directed events are well described. Arguing against a totally random process is arguing a straw man. It doesn't exist.
In the sense that God, as the prime mover, first cause, etc. set things in motion, but built in processes for the evolutionary development from that time forward.
Where is your demonstration that spontaneous mutagenic speciation is needed to esplain evolutionary change?
Sheesh--I should hire a professional speller to follow me around.
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