Posted on 02/05/2002 12:58:18 PM PST by Double Eagle Sword of Justice
"Few people knew about the affair Adolf Hitler had with his niece, Geli Raubal, when he was 38 and she was only 17. Geli came to live with Hitler in his house in Berchtesgaden with her mother, Angelika Raubal - his widowed half-sister and the only one of his relatives he was on good terms with. The couple shared a strangely intense passionate relationship in the early years they spent together, but it was always dogged by Hitler's hopeless intolerance, chauvinistic attitude to womanhood and his perpetual possessive jealousy. Later, the significant weakening of the bond between Hitler and Geli coincided with the phenomenal rise in the popularity of the Nazis. On 14 September 1930, nearly six-and-a-half million people voted for the party that was, by then, virtually Hitler's personal possession. He had achieved unchallenged supremacy as leader, and this idolization by his public lessened his need to idolize Geli. His tenderness became twisted and his behaviour even more oppressive. In 1931, aged 21, Geli Raubal was found dead in the Munich flat she shared with Hitler; his revolver on the floor and an unfinished letter on the table. Hitler was absolutely shattered by his niece's death, and for the rest of his life was unable to speak of her without tears coming to his eyes. However, despite the obvious depth of Hitler's feelings for Geli and the enormous importance of their relationship in his life, there is scarcely mention of their strange uncle-niece bond."
Just got back from court and NO I don't want to talk about it!!!
Personally his sex life doesn't mean anything anyway. I only regret we weren't able to capture him and bring him to the US for American justice, electric chair style.
Sounds a bit like the late Roy Cohn, eh?
Actually, not all that bad. I was given a postponement and some time to get an attorney. Like I didn't know that was gonna happen...hehehe!
I can't speak about it , I think the honorable judge is a lurker here, and I'm not sure if he shares my sense of humor.
If he finds out it's FP that's in front of him....all honored court compassion could fly out the window. BTW...nothing criminal, just a disagreement between me and the local DMV.
Anybody got a hut to rent in the Cayman's?
But we all know for a fact that since the word "socialist" appears in the name of the NAZI party, that they (and Hitler) had to be LEFT-wing and PRO-communist.
No, I am afraid you are engaging in non sequitur reasoning ("all cats die, Socrates is dead, therefore Socrates is a cat"). Hitler and the Nazis were in fact right-wing (notice they were allied with other right-wingers against all of the left-wingers) - "right-wing" is more of a term of convenience, it is not a set of ideological beliefs.
"Right-wing" and "left-wing" mean different things in different contexts and in different times and places. It really has more to do with who your enemies are and with what "team" you are on.
Likewise, Hitler and the Nazis were most definitely anti-communist. You have to be completely ignorant of history to assert otherwise. There were some fringe elements in the party that were pro-communist, but they had no influence on Hitler's policies.
As to the socialism thing...socialism did not always automatically mean leftwing and pro-communist. Once upon a time there were many different kinds of socialists, until first Marx and then Lenin came along and redefined socialism.
There were people calling themselves socialists who were also right-wing nationalists, right-wing Catholics, even right-wing monarchists. Of course this sort of thing is not well understood in post-Cold War USA, but these political labels are always under constant semantic drift and change. Even "conservative" and "liberal" bear little resemblence in their current meaning to what these words meant 50- or 100-years ago. And these meanings are still changing (and not for the better).
As for Hitler being a homosexual, the author is either a loon with an axe to grind, or a mere opportunist trying to make a fast buck. As to homos in the NSDAP, sure, there were some, but they didn't exactly win that inner-party debate, now did they?
Just because homosexuality or nazism are morally wrong does not mean that we should paint nazism as essentially pro-homo or the homos as essentially pro-nazi. It's a rather silly smear to both parties. It's not like you can't find more valid things to criticize both of them for.
What is known is that from age 29 or 30 on he did not practice anything of the kind, and in fact had a steady thing with Eva Braun for some 9-10 years before their joint suicide in 1945.
I say this NOT because I think he was anything other than a monster, but because now as then, it was too convenient to say that, oh well, he is one of THOSE, I am NOT one of those, none of my crowd are, and...to lose any moral compass at all in the matter.
I doubt any higher percentage of leading Nazis were gay, than of leading Washington personalities in the last few administrations, etc.
What is known is that from age 29 or 30 on he did not practice anything of the kind, and in fact had a steady thing with Eva Braun for some 9-10 years before their joint suicide in 1945.
I say this NOT because I think he was anything other than a monster, but because now as then, it was too convenient to say that, oh well, he is one of THOSE, I am NOT one of those, none of my crowd are, and...to lose any moral compass at all in the matter.
I doubt any higher percentage of leading Nazis were gay, than of leading Washington personalities in the last few administrations, etc.
Hitler was gay - and killed to hide it, book says
Kate Connolly in Berlin
Sunday October 7, 2001
The Observer
Adolf Hitler was gay - or so says a sensational new biography on the Nazi dictator due to be published tomorrow.
Eyewitness accounts from Hitler's former lovers, and historical documents that for the first time illuminate rumours that have circulated for over half a century, are disclosed in Hitler's Secret: The Double Life of a Dictator .
The respected German historian Lothar Machtan even claims in his book that Hitler ordered the deaths of several high-ranking Nazis to prevent the secret of his homosexuality from surfacing.
Ernst Röhm, the leader of Hitler's Sturm Abteilung or Storm Troopers, tried to blackmail Hitler by threatening to reveal his sexuality. Röhm, who was also gay, was murdered as a result, according to Machtan, a history teacher at Bremen University.
He refers to scores of historical documents to support his thesis. In 1915, the young Hitler was a dispatch rider at the front in France. Years later, yet before Hitler became infamous, one of his fellow soldiers, Hans Mend, wrote in his memoirs: 'At night, Hitler lay with Schmidl, his male whore.' Schmidl, otherwise known as Ernst Schmidt, and Hitler were 'inseparable lovers' for five years, according to Machtan.
Hitler's service notes read that as a result of the love affair there was reluctance among senior officers to promote him. According to Erich Ebermeier, a lawyer and writer who viewed Hitler's military files years later: 'Despite his bravery towards the enemy, because of his homosexual activity he lost out on a promotion to non-commissioned officer.'
Police reports from Munich after the First World War also suggest that Hitler was pursued by police because of his sexual orientation. 'As a "brown" [fascist] activist, Hitler managed to lure many young men to his side, but not only for political reasons,' says Machtan.
According to a Munich police protocol from the early part of the 20th century, a 22-year-old man called Joseph told the police: 'I spent the whole night with him.' Another, Michael, who was 18, told them: 'I had been unemployed for months, and my mother and my brother were always hungry, so, at his request, I accompanied the man to his home.' Another, a boy called Franz, said: 'He asked me if I'd like to stay with him and he told me his name was Adolf Hitler.'
The police reports were collected by Otto von Lossow, a German army general who took part in suppressing the Hitler putsch in 1923. He kept the Munich police file for years, as, he described it, 'a form of personal life insurance'. If Hitler had attempted to push him aside, he would have blackmailed him with the information, he said. The police documents were published some years ago in Rome by Eugen Dollmann, a close friend of Heinrich Himmler's and also Hitler's interpreter. But because his book never appeared in German, the startling information remained largely overlooked by historians.
Machtan says that Hitler was particularly drawn to Rudolf Hess, his deputy, who was known in party circles as 'black Emma' and with whom he had spent months in Landsberg prison.
Why, then, did the Nazis persecute homosexuals, sending hundreds of thousands of them to their deaths in labour camps and the gas chambers?
'Hitler himself never condemned homosexuality, but he allowed the persecution of gays in order to disguise his own true colours,' Machtan says.
I hope this was meant as satire or that you are being sarcastic. Otherwise, you accusing all of our military men and police men of being closet homos. That's the kind of filthy mentality I would expect of the worst of the screaming, fist-waving homo-rights crowd.
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