[Khepera]

OK I've found your problem OWK. See you cannot tell the difference between men and women. This explains your confusion.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

To: OWK OK I've found your problem OWK. See you cannot tell the difference between men and women. This explains your confusion. 81 posted on 2/6/02 7:45 AM Pacific by Khepera

Actually, OWK is quite capable of telling the difference between men and women -- which would serve to explain the fact that he has children by the monogamous heterosexual relationship into which he has solemnly covenanted himself, with his wife.

You, on the other hand, appear to be incapable of telling the difference between witnessing the Gospel, and making a jerk of yourself.

You profane the Cause of Christ with your willful Bearing of False Witness, Law-Breaker.

Knock it off.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Oops... had some additional points I wanted to make...

OWK is an advocate of State non-interventionism on questions of adult sexuality.

And indeed, Nazi Germany does have a lesson to teach us on this matter. Read what your OWN ARTICLE has to say on the subject:

Hitler's rise largely was due to the two brilliant homosexuals who mentored and tutored him: Roehm, a notorious pederast and a contemporary, and Dietrich Eckart, 21 years his senior. Roehm, a career staff officer during the war, had access to both secret army funds and to military and right-wing groups such as the ultranationalist, anti-Semitic and homoerotic Freikorps — the fiercely anticommunist terrorist squads that sprang up, especially in eastern Germany, in response to the political chaos of the early Weimar Republic. Eckart was a fiercely anti-Semitic journalist and playwright who taught Hitler political tactics and introduced him to Munich and Berlin society, as well as to other wealthy people throughout the country.

In April 1923 Hitler was convicted of treason for his nearly successful coup against the Bavarian government. Sentenced to five years in prison, he was released after nine months. He then began collecting the lawbreakers, sexual and other, who would form the heart of his new Nazi Party. Machtan shows that the party was a sexual swamp from its very beginning, an evil conspiracy in which members held sexual or other criminal secrets over one another's heads. Indeed, Machtan suggests that Hitler's fear that Roehm and other openly homosexual Nazis would "out" him and his associates was a motive for his later murder of Roehm.

When adult homosexuality is proscribed by State Law, homosexuals will tend to clique themselves together in small, closed-loop societies of mutual aid and advancement -- the "persecuted minority" syndrome. And since homosexuals do not breed, but recruit, their "households" tend to be DINK (Double-Income/No-Kids) allowing for rapid economic and social advancement. As homosexuals rise in economic status within a society, protecting and advancing their own, they acquire greater power and influence.

Without the "persecution complex" of State Prohibition, the tendency of homosexuals to band together for mutual advancement is offset by their tendency to relational infighting -- with some exceptions (nearly all things Human have exceptions), the combination of Male sexual rapacity with Male sexual jealousy can serve to make a homosexual clique a very jealous and back-stabbing group. These relational self-destructive tendencies will, in a free society, tend to neutralize the homosexual's contravailing "protective clique" mentality which provides for their economic advancement and procurement of political power. In a sexual-prohibitionist society, however, the "persecution complex" mentality will become the stronger motivation, overriding homosexuals' fierce jealousies in favor of mutual self-preservation. And, if the political ideology of that homosexual clique which comes to power happens to be vicious and militaristic, then the State will be subordinated for vicious and militaristic purposes -- as we saw in Nazi Germany.

OWK's advocacy of State non-interventionism on questions of adult sexuality is in no way, then, an invitation to the kind of aberrant Cliques which gave rise to Nazism, but rather a sociological deterrence thereof.