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The Longest War
American Heritage ^ | February-March 2002 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/08/2002 7:29:56 AM PST by jays911

The Longest War

The fight we’re in didn’t begin on September 11; it started thousands of years ago. It’s the struggle between East and West, and history can both encourage and help us—if we read it properly. by Victor Davis Hanson

About as many americans were killed in the terrorist attacks of September 11 as at Lexington and Concord, at the Alamo, at Fort Sumter, on the Lusitania, and at Pearl Harbor combined, all of which precipitated Americans’ entry into major wars. Where else can we turn but to history to make sense of such carnage? Yet many facile comparisons that are being made with the past are fraught with error. They tell more of our own popular perceptions of culture than of the real lessons of history, and they misinform us about every element of the situation, from its underlying politics to the nature of the terrorism involved, the proper role of the military in our nation’s survival, the broader cultural context, and the true philosophy of war itself


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1 posted on 02/08/2002 7:29:56 AM PST by jays911
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To: jays911
Makes sense.
2 posted on 02/08/2002 7:43:19 AM PST by fella
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To: jays911
I don’t see anyway the West can peacefully co-exist with the fanatical muslim east. Unless we can unleash such a white hot vengeance that they tremble in fear at the very thought of the U.S., we have two choices.

One, complete annihilation turning the entire region into a glowing mass of molten glass followed by a country by country, house by house search and extermination of any survivors.

Two, completely cut any and all ties with the entire region. Finding an alternative source for energy, be it Russia or solar power etc, is the key. This would be followed by immediate and permanent expulsion of any foreign nationals from the entire region This of course, leaves the sticky situation of Israel. That is a conundrum.

Still, given the two options, I’d advocate the latter.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

3 posted on 02/08/2002 7:47:45 AM PST by End Times Sentinel
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To: Owl_Eagle
the west's dependence on mid-east energy sources is the key.
4 posted on 02/08/2002 8:04:41 AM PST by jays911
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To: jays911
Bump
5 posted on 02/08/2002 8:10:44 AM PST by novakeo
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To: Owl_Eagle
Ties can be cut in degrees. Look at current gas prices, about 50 cents lower than a year ago. Although we don't buy most of our oil from the middle east, it reflects world prices.

And Russia will be coming on-line soon.

Many of these countries have lived on the equivalent of welfare for the last 50 years. they have not developed any products or services that the rest of the world wants, and they have deliberately kept their citizens ignorant.

Something in this formula is going to give.

6 posted on 02/08/2002 8:11:49 AM PST by js1138
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To: Owl_Eagle
Call me a little blood thirsty but I kind of favor that molten glass approach. It has the advantage of finality.
7 posted on 02/08/2002 8:46:15 AM PST by anothergrunt
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To: anothergrunt
We need a REAL Energy Policy (that doesnt mean some constituency throw-a-bone ecogeek handout) it means researching, developing, drilling, and refining real world energy sources.

Russian lines will help considerably and we should get our own on line quickly before the potentially huge Chinese demand makes this situation worse. We are like babies suckling at the nipples of Saudi/Muslim oil.

8 posted on 02/08/2002 10:33:14 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: js1138
it isn't politically correct to say it, but certain cultures (i.e., those that favor reason, freedom, and personal rights) have a leg up on those that do not. it will be interesting to see it play out.
9 posted on 02/08/2002 7:38:54 PM PST by jays911
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To: jays911
Hanson has been brilliant since 9/11. This passage struck me as especially well expressed:
In that regard, it is hard to learn from war, which Thucydides called “the harsh schoolmaster.” It shatters our modernist assumption that we can change the nature of man and eliminate the Neanderthal need to resort to arms. America at the beginning of the millennium, awash in wealth, luxury, and learning, was convinced that our enemies were either ignorant, misinformed, or temporarily insane—not evil, and certainly not rationally evil. And so in place of strong military preparation and the swift responses to aggression that had been the wisdom of the ages, we wanted lawyers to handle war as a criminal matter, or we thought we could avoid it through conciliation and mediation, or by buying off our enemies with money, kindness, education, apologies, or, as a last resort, the occasional Tomahawk missile. It didn’t work with bin Laden. He, after a career of bombing Americans around the world, reckoned that we were decadent and soft and would continue to tolerate the killing of our people.

Had Gore been in office, I believe the legal pettifoggers who would wish to "handle war as a criminal matter" would have had far greater influence on our response to the attack. It's possible that some pissant tomahawk bombardment once again would have been the full extent of it.

10 posted on 03/08/2002 9:09:19 PM PST by beckett
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