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Missing [San diego] girl's neighbor went to desert, beach and back
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 9 February 2002 | Kelly Thornton Elizabeth Fitzsimons and Joe Hughes

Posted on 02/09/2002 6:53:27 AM PST by crypt2k

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To: scholar
Beats me? I don't have insider info.
101 posted on 02/09/2002 11:13:18 AM PST by marajade
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To: wasfree
According to a friend of my cousin there is no way to download porn off of gnutella without getting some child porn of some type

Your cousin's friend has no clue when he is saying.

102 posted on 02/09/2002 11:15:24 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: It's me
Two years huh? I thought that child stealing was a crime that one did over and over and that there was some sort of vunerability that one could see in one's character who did those sorts of things. Two years is an awfully long time for someone like that to be crime free.
103 posted on 02/09/2002 11:15:39 AM PST by marajade
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To: NYCVirago
On top of dealing with a missing child, the van Dams are the subject of rumors that they are involved in a swinging club, where couples typically engage in sex with other couples. "This is in no way related to the investigation," Brenda Van Dam said.

Just because we are all naked and groping in the garage doesn't mean we can't hear a kidnapper sneaking into our home.

"Nothing would get in between me checking on my children."

A wild orgy couldn't keep me from it.

104 posted on 02/09/2002 11:18:44 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Kaslin
Maybe because their alarm went off regularly when it shouldn't have.
105 posted on 02/09/2002 11:22:47 AM PST by marajade
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To: lsee
There was an interesting case in Australia. The family was camping out in the bush and a dingo stole a child and ate it. The mother did not show the proper emotions that some people thought she should have, and so she was prosecuted for murder and sent to prison.

I'm sorry I don't remember all the details but she was later found innocent and set free.

Since the Australian people are mostly descendants of the "stiff upper lip" British and the Irish who keep to themselves, I found it strange that they would think the lack of a public display of emotion automatically cried "guilty".

107 posted on 02/09/2002 11:26:52 AM PST by diefree
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To: crypt2k
As long as we continue to worry about the "inner child" of the person who raped/mudered the child, we will continue to bury raped/murdered children.
When the perpetrator of this crime is caught, they will receive more attention than they ever have in their life.
And they'll get three squares and a cot...
108 posted on 02/09/2002 11:27:55 AM PST by unamused
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To: marajade
Maybe because their alarm went off regularly when it shouldn't have.

If the alarm went off regulary when it shouldn't have I would have had that darn thing checked out. What good does it do if it constantly gives false alarms?

109 posted on 02/09/2002 11:48:19 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: crypt2k
"Pierce said he was shocked when Brenda van Dam showed him Danielle's journal. " 'Daddy, please forgive me,' " Pierce said one entry read. " 'Daddy please love me. Danielle.' "

If this is true, there's a lot more going on in that house than these parents are saying. This is a classic line from a child that's being sexually abused.

110 posted on 02/09/2002 11:49:08 AM PST by terilyn
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To: marajade
Westerfield: He left early that morning, he's a single male. Having a playboy or hustler stash does not make you a child molester/murderer. They need to look at the WHOLE picture before those nasty leaks start. They also need to look closer at the parents too. Lie detectors aren't fool proof either. The thing that's disturbing is the parents line..."Danielle's kidnapper climbed the steps to her second-floor bedroom – decorated in pink and purple – after everyone was asleep. They can't even remember when they went to sleep. Something not right.
111 posted on 02/09/2002 11:50:40 AM PST by Jaded
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To: diefree
Actually, authorities found the baby's remains with marks consistent to being mauled my an animal, near where another person was attacked. True crime website has the details, sorry don't know the url.
112 posted on 02/09/2002 11:53:42 AM PST by Jaded
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To: Kaslin
You'd be surprised at how often there is that problems with alarms and how people become desensitized to it after a while.
113 posted on 02/09/2002 11:57:34 AM PST by marajade
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To: Jaded
Porn is everywhere in today's society. I mean just today I wanted to order some banker's boxes for my personal use at home and mistype officmax instead of officemax and guess what came up? Porn. If all the police have is the porn issue, I'd say that's not enough.
114 posted on 02/09/2002 11:59:30 AM PST by marajade
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To: Jaded
http://www.crimelibrary.com/fillicide/azaria/conclusion.htm

I found the above, there's a book "A Cry in the Night".

Here's a little bit from it

Initially, Lindy and Michael attempted to defend themselves against the rumours and accusations, but quickly learned that few journalists could be trusted to record their interviews with accuracy. Every media appearance they made seemed to fuel the rumours even more, especially when they spoke openly about their faith and their beliefs as Seventh Day Adventists. Lindy was considered to be strange, too hard, too unmotherly. Why didn’t she cry?

115 posted on 02/09/2002 12:13:50 PM PST by diefree
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To: diefree
I found it strange that they would think the lack of a public display of emotion automatically cried "guilty".

We tend to project our own emotional reactions onto others. The more emotional of us study the behavior of the more constrained individuals and find them lacking. On the other hand, constrained people might feel those who display overpowering emotions are putting on a show. Who knows how either of them would react in a tragic situation?

Yet, even among constrained people, we can usually detect physical cues or verbal nuances that reveal that they are striving to maintain control over their feelings. When those subtle cues are missing, even innocent people seem guilty of something, we just are not sure what. The truth is, some people successfully conceal their feelings because they have a strong will or strong pride. Others conceal their feelings because they don't have strong feelings to hide.

As in the Ramsey case, we may never know what truly happened to this little girl, but many of us didn't feel comfortable about the Ramseys because their words didn't match up to their nonverbal behaviors. I still believe there are parents who go through the motions of caring, convince themselves that they do care, and yet lack that certain "something" that we expect to pick up on when we hear them talk about their kids. I don't see the cues I'm looking for on the faces of these parents. They may be innocent, but they make me uncomfortable.

116 posted on 02/09/2002 12:14:04 PM PST by lsee
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To: lsee
Didn't the Ramseys shed a tear or two?
117 posted on 02/09/2002 12:19:25 PM PST by diefree
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To: crypt2k
OK. I said I was going to drive by the house. I did. Part of me totally regrets it, and part of me is glad that I did. I will tell you what I saw…

On the way you see pictures of this little girl everywhere, on cars, intersection signs, light posts. You get close to the house and there are pink and purple ribbons everywhere. I drove down the street and came upon huge vans, trucks and antennas. There is a big group of media surrounding the house. On the corner of the street is a playground with a big banner reading, “We miss you Danielle, hurry home”. It hit me, there is a little human being who is gone and this is real. Don’t get me wrong, it is not that I didn’t know the reality of it before, it’s just that when you look at the house that she lived in and see the families and children that she knew playing in the street, you just get a real dose of reality.

The bottom line is this. I have been one that has gotten sucked onto the media hype about who did it, what’s the deal with the idiot parents, and what about this scumbag neighbor? The real story is that a little girl was taken from her home and she is probably dead. I don’t know if her parents did it, I don’t know if the perv down the street did it, I don’t know if a stranger did it. All that I know is that SOMEONE DID IT! and a precious child is gone. What breaks my heart the most is the terror that she must have experienced. I know a little bit about that because my home was invaded by a horrible man in the middle of the night and he did unspeakable things. Fortunately, I lived. Unfortunately, Danielle probably did not.

118 posted on 02/09/2002 12:21:55 PM PST by mickeylee
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To: lsee
What I am aiming at is that crying does not equate innocence any more than not crying indicates guilt.
119 posted on 02/09/2002 12:22:01 PM PST by diefree
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To: diefree
I can certainly agree with that.
120 posted on 02/09/2002 12:22:45 PM PST by lsee
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