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NASA Contacts Pioneer 10 Spacecraft
AP ^ | 3 Mar 02 | ERICA WERNER

Posted on 03/03/2002 6:26:34 PM PST by RightWhale

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To: strela
That I don't know. When I was at JPL we had a peice of the Surveyor in the lobby that the astronauts brought back.
61 posted on 03/03/2002 7:49:31 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
A profile and some interesting tid bits regarding Aldebaran.

Aldebaran is close to the Sun's path, the Sun passing to the north of it about June 1, the star also regularly covered, or occulted, by the Moon. This class K star, of first magnitude and 13th brightest in the sky, is a low- level irregular variable star that fluctuates erratically and to the eye unnoticeably by about two-tenths of a magnitude. Aldebaran's surface temperature of just under 4000 degrees Kelvin (compared to the Sun's 5800 degree temperature) gives it a distinct orangy color.

It is a giant star, a star in an advanced state of evolution in which the interior hydrogen fuel has run out, the star now running on the fusion of helium into carbon. Some 350 times more luminous than the Sun, it has expanded to a radius about 40 times solar, making it big enough to enable astronomers to measure its small angular diameter of only 0.021 seconds of arc (the apparent size of a US nickel seen at a distance of 50 kilometers). T

his large star is an extremely slow rotator, taking almost two years to make a full spin. If placed at the position of the Sun, Aldebaran would extend halfway to the planet Mercury and would appear 20 degrees across in our sky, making life on Earth quite impossible. Yet Aldebaran may have its own "solar system." Recent, though still-unconfirmed, observations show that the star may be slightly shifting back and forth in response to a small body with a mass at least 11 times that of Jupiter and a two-year orbital period. We do not yet know if the body -- if it exists at all -- is a massive planet or a low-mass "brown dwarf," a failed star that is too small to run supporting thermonuclear reactions in its core.

62 posted on 03/03/2002 7:49:49 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
A profile and some interesting tid bits regarding Aldebaran.

Thanks! Nice read. :) Actually. I think stars without planets will be the exception instead of the rule.

63 posted on 03/03/2002 7:51:39 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer,Joe Hadenuf
I believe radio signals travel just below the speed of light

Well they are both electromagnetic waves. In free space they all travel at the same speed. In the Earth's atmosphere radio waves ["standard refraction = 1.000313"] travel about 99.969% the free space speed of light, light (589 nm at STP = 1.00029) 99.971%, so light is slightly "faster" than radio waves at the surface of the earth. Refraction causes bending of light (and radio waves) near the surface of the earth, so it is significant.

64 posted on 03/03/2002 7:52:18 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Radio waves are the same stuff as light waves, and infrared, and x-rays, and gamma rays, and ultraviolet. They all propagate at the same speed in a vacuum. They do respond differently in different materials than total vacuum. Even visible light does that, the rainbow being one example.
65 posted on 03/03/2002 7:53:32 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RadioAstronomer
Imagine if, for example, an alien civilization discovers this probe in a million years or so. They're probably going to think, "Who, in [deity's name] made this piece of crap?"

This I don't believe. You would be amazed at what can be gleaned about our technology from how finely crafted that vehicle really is.

LOL !!!

66 posted on 03/03/2002 7:53:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RadioAstronomer
I concur.
67 posted on 03/03/2002 7:53:44 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RadioAstronomer
That's ok! I'm always looking over your shoulder! Hugs!!!
68 posted on 03/03/2002 7:54:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale
So light speed is reduced by how much, in say, our atmosphere?
69 posted on 03/03/2002 7:55:20 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Absolutely. This is why I need phase shifters on my receive paths due to the large frequency gaps between the different signals. :)
70 posted on 03/03/2002 7:55:31 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Alamo-Girl
Hugs back. :)
71 posted on 03/03/2002 7:57:26 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: The Cajun
how many years before a manned craft will outdistance pioneer 10

On the order of 1000 years. It won't be a starship going to colonize another star, but a ship going to establish a deepspace base still relatively near the sun for either scientific or resource extraction purposes or both.

72 posted on 03/03/2002 7:57:33 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RadioAstronomer
Ah, here's the reference I was looking for (from this web site):

In November 1969, the Surveyor 3 spacecraft's microorganisms were recovered from inside its camera that was brought back to Earth under sterile conditions by the Apollo 12 crew. The 50-100 organisms survived launch, space vacuum, 3 years of radiation exposure, deep-freeze at an average temperature of only 20 degrees above absolute zero, and no nutrient, water or energy source ... Samples of the microorganism were sent to the US Communicable Disease Center at Atlanta, Georgia, which confirmed it as Streptococcus mitis. a common harmless bacteria from the nose, mouth and throat in humans.

73 posted on 03/03/2002 7:57:48 PM PST by strela
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To: strela
WOW. So my DNA may just have made it to Venus after all. I know my signature did. It was on the vehicle prior to launch. :) My sig also went to Jupiter on the Galileo.
74 posted on 03/03/2002 7:59:30 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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I was watching a discovery channel program on space and the galaxies. In the program, they said that space is expanding at enourmous speeds. In an hour, the galgaxies we currently see move away from us at 1,000,000 mph. I think it gonna take Pioneer 10 alot longer to reach it's new destination than previously thought (if ever).
75 posted on 03/03/2002 8:02:24 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: RadioAstronomer; PatrickHenry; VadeRetro
A radio telescope in Spain received the response 22 hours and six minutes later,

Oh, come on!

Everybody knows radio signals travel instantaneously, and NASA is just pretending they travel at the speed of light so they can censor the data coming back from the spacecraft, for fear the public would find out the Truth about the Face on Mars and the Zit on Uranus. It's a conspiracy! Waaaaaaaa!

</ lunatic Luddite mode >

76 posted on 03/03/2002 8:03:40 PM PST by longshadow
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To: RadioAstronomer
You got me beat. The only "alien" civilizations that will ever read MY signature will be the ones that tear down a house I once lived in in Japan. Before I put up new paneling in the living room, I signed the wall underneath it in several places.
77 posted on 03/03/2002 8:05:13 PM PST by strela
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Post #64 by lonesome has some numbers that look good.
78 posted on 03/03/2002 8:05:32 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: unix
All of space-time is expanding. However, the further away the faster the apparent velocity. (not unlike blowing up a ballon with dots painted on it). Aldebaran is close enough that the spacecraft will get there just fine.
79 posted on 03/03/2002 8:07:09 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: unix
Pioneer 10 will probably end up in a museum in Texas and will never get to the next star.

But although the galaxies seem to be fleeing our neighborhood, understandably, the stars in our galaxy are going nowhere.

80 posted on 03/03/2002 8:08:13 PM PST by RightWhale
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